Mike J

The clutch is quite different on the Turbo, its power assisted by the power steering pump - a plus on its lightness, a negative on a complex slave cylinder that tends to fail

The transmission is different as well - the gearing is more european than north american, so its like getting a regeared car AND 400HP! that is one of the reasons you get such a kick on the acceleration

A C4S has a similar feel to the Turbo - the AWD is what gives the heavier feeling to the car. However, if you did any corners with something loose and either car (and I have done it on a NA car and the turbo) and feel the front end sucking the car around the corner, its really nice. The C4S will do this, but it runs out of poop too early.

The turbo is naturally quieter because of the turbos in the exhaust stream, so even with good mufflers it still has a different tone.

One thing though - the Turbo will suck much more fuel than the NA cars - and I mean MUCH more if you are heavy on the throttle.

Cheers,

Mike

pmalenfa

Thanks Mike for explaining this.

77'3.6vram

1752 C2S
1909 Turbo

The difference in total US sales is insignificant. The Turbo will always be more desirable and collectable. No question or debate required. If you have the $$$ buy the Turbo. Try to find one that was special ordered through the Exclusive program( option 09991) and had a MSRP close to $120,000.00. There are not many and they are far more collectable than your run of the mill 993 Turbo. Mine came with all Turbo "S" interior options and is irreplaceable because of it.

TRINITONY

Buy the turbo, you will always lust after it.

goofballdeluxe

Unless you don't like whale tails/wings

TRINITONY

Calling B-Line...

Mike J

My god, people like that exist?

pmalenfa

Hello and thanks to everybody who participated in this thread. You helped in my purchase decision.

Here is the resume and how it ended:

1- I was on the market looking at either a 993 C2S or 993tt, looking at nice examples in the 50k miles (80k km) milleage, unmolested, very little or no modification at all. My colors of choice were Black/Black, Arena Red/Black or Midnight Blue/Black.

2- I found cars, I inspected a few. In the same conditions, a 993tt was about 15k$ more than a C2S. My gut feeling was that a 993tt had much more that 15K$ valued under the hood... I was ready to put 15K$ on that value and I ended up with a big question mark: Will the 993tt be a cash dump in the long term (this has been answered as "not a lot more") and will I enjoy the 993tt as much with my useage.

3- So I drove both cars and found that the 993tt was very different (see post #65). I loved the 993tt and understood that since I'm not a track guy (barely a DE type...), and I try to avoid traffic/city then the 993tt was a better choice for me.

4- The first 993tt I inspected did not reach the PPI. There was issues with my inspections and I made a low/PPI conditionnal offer. The guy (personal sale) camed back to me with his offer that I refused.

5- A few weeks after, I found another one (almost a twin of the first, at a dealer) in much better shape. I made an offer, had my mechanic do the inspection, PPI came out 9.5/10 (he told me to buy it before someone else does...). So the car is now getting prepared. I'm doing a lot of highway driving and the actual paint is very nice so I bought a full 3M with the car.

I's my second p-car, I don't have the experience some of you have but I learned that the basic rule of thumb applied again. So my learned lesson is just to remember thoses:

- Find what YOU want in your price range, listen at other people but end up buying what YOU like the most. P-car are drivers oriented cars so the one you like the most to drive is probably what you want.

- Unless you want a project and you are a DIY. Get the one in the best shape you can find. I did this with my first (1991 type 964) and it was a right thing to do for me.

- When you made up you mind and started shopping really. Keep it for yourself, don't spread the word too much. You don't need advice at this point. If you want that car, there is others that want it too There is many stories at rennlist, I had brokers sending me PM everytime I was on the market, just don't answer thoses.

- Do you duties, make a PPI.

Thanks guys!

Pierre

EntropyChaser993

^^^^^ Pierre - Good advise, thanks for posting. Congrats on your TT!

Gt3 Racer RS

Go with whatever you like best. I have had a 996 turbo and a 997 turbo with werks 1 package on whole car with a total of 700 hp. Car was ridiculous. I own a c2s,c4s, and 997.2 gt3. I would go with the turbo if you like more power but it has a little lag when accelerating. Not much but noticable. Get whatever you like. I suggest you drive a 993 tt before you decide to buy.

Mike in Chi

Rennlist can be very helpful, and is very forthcoming with opinions. But ultimately you have to scratch YOUR itch, not someone else's.

congrats on finding exactly what you wanted, Pierre.

si2t3m

Hi Pierre,

Great to hear that you found a 993TT to replace your 964cab!!!

Let me know when/if you come down to Québec. i'd love to see the car

pmalenfa

Hey Marc-André! I'll surely drive it to Quebec city this summer. Will call you my friend!

pmalenfa

My helpfull rennlisters friends, you deserved a picture. There it is!