M030 facts I did not know
10-26-2006, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas
In the workshop manuals for models prior (911, 944, 968, etc.) to the 993 you'll find that each spring version (M030, M032, M033) is subdivided by Porsche into two or three tolerance groups according to spring force at a set length and denoted by the number of colored dots. The differences are at most 100-200 N and the tolerances are spec'ed +- 4%. I can't find anything from Porsche documenting this for the 993 but it follows the exact same pattern and I think it makes sense (the loaded spring height is dependent on the spring rate, right?) . For the 996 the system was changed to a color only system.
If someone has access to the mechanics training materials that were given out during training in Reno the tolerance groups might be documented in them? Similar manuals for the 964 cover material not in the workshop manuals or the service Techniks, etc.
If someone has access to the mechanics training materials that were given out during training in Reno the tolerance groups might be documented in them? Similar manuals for the 964 cover material not in the workshop manuals or the service Techniks, etc.
Thanks Jason for the info.
I will look into it more very soon next time I will be in germany blunting criticism with a smile, and will keep you posted.
M030 springs with brown 1 dot, 2 dots, 3 dots.
Different rear shims for 1 dot, 2 dot, 3 dots. in the workshop manual.
10-26-2006, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg
So question the data and keep your mind open. I try to learn something daily, I am rarely disappointed
10-26-2006, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg
So question the data and keep your mind open. I try to learn something daily, I am rarely disappointed
Show me in the manual, etc where it shows that there is a race version of the spring. Better yet find all three varieties of springs and lets measure them to see if there is any difference between them (not just size but lb/inch, etc).
He has posted info (not just this thread) that is factually incorrect.
10-26-2006, 09:27 PM
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Front Springs:
ROW M029: 993.343.531.00 - Red
ROW M033: 993.343.531.04 - Blue
ROW M030 & Turbo: 965.343.531.01 - Orange/Green
USA M032: 964.343.531.11 - Green
USA M030 & Turbo: 964.343.531.12 - Orange
Rear Springs:
ROW M029: 993.333.531.02* - Violet or 993.333.531.03* - Grey
ROW M033: 993.333.531.21* - White or 993.333.531.22* - Lilac
ROW M033 Carrera S/4S: 993.333.531.23 - Pink
ROW M030: 993.333.531.11 - Brown
ROW Turbo: 993.333.531.16 - Red
USA M032: 993.333.531.18* - Gold/Yellow or 993.333.531.19* - Silver
USA M032 Carrera S/4S: 993.333.531.18 - Gold/Yellow
USA M030: 993.333.531.13 - Light Blue
USA Turbo: 993.333.531.17 - Yellow/Green
* Depending on vehicle equipment: With or without air conditioner in combination with wheel size and transmission version.
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Except for RS, these are all the 993 springs there are, and cross-referenced with PET.
I got the above from Viken.
ROW M029: 993.343.531.00 - Red
ROW M033: 993.343.531.04 - Blue
ROW M030 & Turbo: 965.343.531.01 - Orange/Green
USA M032: 964.343.531.11 - Green
USA M030 & Turbo: 964.343.531.12 - Orange
Rear Springs:
ROW M029: 993.333.531.02* - Violet or 993.333.531.03* - Grey
ROW M033: 993.333.531.21* - White or 993.333.531.22* - Lilac
ROW M033 Carrera S/4S: 993.333.531.23 - Pink
ROW M030: 993.333.531.11 - Brown
ROW Turbo: 993.333.531.16 - Red
USA M032: 993.333.531.18* - Gold/Yellow or 993.333.531.19* - Silver
USA M032 Carrera S/4S: 993.333.531.18 - Gold/Yellow
USA M030: 993.333.531.13 - Light Blue
USA Turbo: 993.333.531.17 - Yellow/Green
* Depending on vehicle equipment: With or without air conditioner in combination with wheel size and transmission version.
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Except for RS, these are all the 993 springs there are, and cross-referenced with PET.
I got the above from Viken.
10-26-2006, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg Fishman
Only "proof" is a comment by a dealer and tech that is posted by a guy that has had a 993 for less than a few months. .
or more like someone has unleashed you, because its messing with their business?
I see that you are well informed, fountain of wit, I have had a 993 for less than a few months.
Originally Posted by Greg Fishman
He has posted info (not just this thread) that is factually incorrect.
I am not searching for a challenge. Your freedom's limit is where mine begins, you are sooooo low
you'll be smashed like a brown striped M030 spring soon, very soon
10-26-2006, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by geolab
Is that the actual reason for your innate rudeness, primitive hilbilly automatic criticism, and petit mal-behaviour?
or more like someone has unleashed you, because its messing with their business?
I see that you are well informed, fountain of wit, I have had a 993 for less than a few months.
or more like someone has unleashed you, because its messing with their business?
I see that you are well informed, fountain of wit, I have had a 993 for less than a few months.
While he is a hillbilly, he is far from primitive.
He has had a 993 for less than a few months.
He did have a previous 993, which he usually drove to a podium finish.
10-26-2006, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by geolab
Is that the actual reason for your innate rudeness, primitive hilbilly automatic criticism, and petit mal-behaviour?
or more like someone has unleashed you, because its messing with their business?
I see that you are well informed, fountain of wit, I have had a 993 for less than a few months.
And what would that be?
I am not searching for a challenge. Your freedom's limit is where mine begins, you are sooooo low
you'll be smashed like a brown striped M030 spring soon, very soon
or more like someone has unleashed you, because its messing with their business?
I see that you are well informed, fountain of wit, I have had a 993 for less than a few months.
And what would that be?
I am not searching for a challenge. Your freedom's limit is where mine begins, you are sooooo low
you'll be smashed like a brown striped M030 spring soon, very soon
When was I rude or called you names. I guess it is true what they say about the french. Just because I am not from France doesn't make me primitive, and I may be from the south but unlike most hillbillys I have all my teeth.
Unleased me? My only issue is that what you are saying needs to be back up with facts, not hearsay. I have owned a 993 and been on this board, and the previous versions of rennlist and porsche list for almost 10 years.
Are you physically threatening me?
The only thing I have asked for is proof? Is that rude? Sounds like you need to thicken up your skin a bit.
You specifically stated that the Turbo (there is no 993TT) it is simply a 993 Turbo, has a seam welded reinforced chassis and it does not.
10-26-2006, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike in Chi
Greg
I've looked and I've looked, and I don't.
Maybe only the white cars had those
I've looked and I've looked, and I don't.
Maybe only the white cars had those
10-26-2006, 10:25 PM
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I share Greg's thoughts. I also agree with Mike in Chi on his assessment of Greg.
geo - You sir would be better served to try and thank people for trying to help.
geo - You sir would be better served to try and thank people for trying to help.
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Originally Posted by Michael B.
I share Greg's thoughts. I also agree with Mike in Chi on his assessment of Greg.
geo - You sir would be better served to try and thank people for trying to help.
geo - You sir would be better served to try and thank people for trying to help.
Not to take this off topic, but I noticed you have a gt3. I was talking with my dealer
today about mine. I was wondering what the four little openings on the roof line were. two on the front and two toward the rear. I am sure yours has them.
anyway. My dealer told me they aid in cooling. they collect rainwater, and dew...and funnel it back to the engine, proving extra cooling. Porsche really thought of everything. don't you agree?
10-26-2006, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael B.
. I also agree with Mike in Chi on his assessment of Greg.
I've been thinking about this.
I don't think Greg is a hillbilly (Guillaume de colline). I think he just talks funny.
10-26-2006, 10:56 PM
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"...I was wondering what the four little openings on the roof line were..."
Fill,
Well, I am sure that your dealer told you this, as my dealer told me that as well. But I degress, as I am also sure you could use those little openings for lots of other things. Like a cooler attachment for a tailgater party at a primitive hilbilly sporting event, or perhaps a mounting device for spring compressors.
Nevertheless, its the taillight gap on a gt3 that provides most of the cooling to my understanding.
Fill,
Well, I am sure that your dealer told you this, as my dealer told me that as well. But I degress, as I am also sure you could use those little openings for lots of other things. Like a cooler attachment for a tailgater party at a primitive hilbilly sporting event, or perhaps a mounting device for spring compressors.
Nevertheless, its the taillight gap on a gt3 that provides most of the cooling to my understanding.