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I am also looking for 18” Cup 2 wheels that are strong and light. It turns out Augment does now make just that, and the wheels are wider and have a lower offset than factory wheels. However, it looks like the contours are slightly flatter than the factory wheels, so I’d want Augment to address that before ordering a set. It seems they didn’t quite nail the proportions when scaling to 18”. I’ve attached a picture of a factory Cup 2 that was painted black to better show the shape of the spokes and face that I’d like to recreate.
...hmmm... doesn't do it for me. But more importantly, have you asked for the weights?
Have not yet.
I asked Augment these questions about a year ago, see below, hope it helps:
The weights as : F 23lbs (with 8.5 width) & R 24lbs
The costs (in Feb 2022) as $1199 per wheel, they are based in Canada so am assuming it was quoted in CAD rather than USD; I didn't follow up at the time.
I'm a fan of the wheel! However, with respect to the car above, it needs to be lowered to at least ROW height if not more for the wheels to look great .
The light weight of the 17" cups ( and their perfect aesthetics IMHO) is why I never ventured down the proverbial "change my wheels" rabbit hole.
+1. I know the wheel styles are quite subjective, but I personally feel the concept of 18" CUP 2 is the opposite of "the best of both worlds". For looks, even though CUP 2 is the most period-correct, there are arguably better looking choices without looking out of place on 993s (MY02, etc). And by going 18", you lose the biggest advantage of staying with CUP2, its light weight.
+1. I know the wheel styles are quite subjective, but I personally feel the concept of 18" CUP 2 is the opposite of "the best of both worlds". For looks, even though CUP 2 is the most period-correct, there are arguably better looking choices without looking out of place on 993s (MY02, etc). And by going 18", you lose the biggest advantage of staying with CUP2, its light weight.
This is one of the great things about the 18" MY02 wheels (which I think also happen to look fantastic on a 993) - they are only marginally heavier than the Cup 2's.
I have the MY02 on my car but will always keep a set of Cup 2's, just in case.
Cup 2:
7" x 17" ET 55 - 9.0 kg
9" x 17" ET 55 - 10.15 kg
MY 02:
8" x 18" ET 50 - 9.3 kg
10" x 18" ET 65 - 10.3 kg
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Theoretically, 17" also has the additional advantage of more compliant ride due to the thicker walls, at the cost of less sharp turning feel than 18".
Since you have run both MY02 and CUP 2, how do they compare in both the ride comfort and steering sharpness?
Originally Posted by SpeedyC2
This is one of the great things about the 18" MY02 wheels (which I think also happen to look fantastic on a 993) - they are only marginally heavier than the Cup 2's.
I have the MY02 on my car but will always keep a set of Cup 2's, just in case.
I've owned/driven-extensively-on exactly the same two setups - it's not quite as simple as 17 vs 18.
I'll do my best to describe it!
The 7J Cup2 with 205 section tire is the most perfect telepathic front end - it's not just 'weight', it's width as well. It's like a scalpel.
8J MY02 on 225 section tire have a more direct response / contact feedback, (especially on circuit) but it's also clumsier (especially on the road) because it's wider.
Simply put, 225 on 8J isn't quite as good, on 17 or 18 rims. But 7J 205 just doesn't look good. So it's a choice.
I've compromised on neither - I'm on 225/45 on 8.5J 17 at the front.
Old pic, but you get the idea: factory 17" Cup II with 225 and 255 tires. Attachment 1335615
The advantage of 18s (over 17s) is much greater tire choices and more crisp handling due to the lower profile, despite identical widths. But to me, the first is the only real advantage, the second is marginal at best. And that "crispness" from a slightly lower profile is easily mitigated with tire choice, not to mention a good suspension and quality alignment.
Fwiw, I have gone through the "I want 18s" phase, especially with the superb MY2001 wheels that have the clean, all-business sans-bling look. But the 17s are simply cheaper to buy, ride better if you're a commuter (in my case I daily drive and now am at 185k miles), and give up nothing to 18s if we are talking about a street car. As for aesthetics, step back and look at my pic: few could even tell these are 17s vs 18s, and it is genuinely hard to beat the purposeful beauty of the classic Cup II wheel.
Theoretically, 17" also has the additional advantage of more compliant ride due to the thicker walls
This as well! With the condition of Bay Area roads recently (terrible roads and potholes), it's almost become impossible to drive without serious wheel damage. 17's at least give me a little bit of buffer room. Roads so bad I've been driving my truck more these days!
Concur with orange & Edward. I have both 18” Oz allegheritas with summer performance and cup 2 17” with Michelin all seasons.
the two wheels are almost the same weight (best in class in my research) but the 18” rubber is heavier so a small net loss for the 18’s
at autocross, the Michelin 17’s are awful, scrubbing and sliding and failing to get grip vs the precision carving of the soft 18”s
out in the real world the Michelin’s are a true GT tire giving plenty of traction in all conditions and honestly plenty good enough for sane public roads. Their quiet tread and compliant sidewalls make 600 miles a day a breeze.
I can’t choose between so I have both.
Theoretically, 17" also has the additional advantage of more compliant ride due to the thicker walls, at the cost of less sharp turning feel than 18".
Since you have run both MY02 and CUP 2, how do they compare in both the ride comfort and steering sharpness?
Several others have answered your question, but I will throw in my 2-cents.
To my mind, the ride and handling both improved in the step up from 17" to 18" tires, the latter more so than the former. In my case, I was changing from Michelin 17" PS2 tires to 18" PS4S. I think it is safe to say the PS$S is a large improvement in overall performance from the well-dated PS2, with noticeable increases in grip wet and dry, a much better wear rating, and even a lower cost. The new tires are also quieter, but that's simply new tires vs. old, worn tires.
Part of my decision to go try a new setup in the first place (outside of the aesthetics of the MY02 wheel) was the greater availability and (in some cases) lower cost of 18" tires vs. 17". Overall, IMO the ride and handling have not been compromised by the change.
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