New 911 Hybrid vs Old 911: Drag Race
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VW has invested in Rivian. They gave $5 Billion to a money losing USA manufacturer since Washington has taxpayer paid tariffs based on location?
I thought VW already had a good EV? And Porsche has the Taycan? VW is saying their EV's are really bad?
You will get a Rivian-Porsche 911 for $250,000? What could go wrong here?
I thought VW already had a good EV? And Porsche has the Taycan? VW is saying their EV's are really bad?
You will get a Rivian-Porsche 911 for $250,000? What could go wrong here?
But is that really news.
If you've been inside a Rivian or driven a Lucid you will realize the Taycan is a generation behind, if not two.
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I'm talking about in comparing sports cars. Things that actually differentiate them. And yes, top speed does matter for a sports car. And last I checked, the hypercars include it in their specs.
But keep doing 0-60 and barely beating a Tesla Model Y.
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In my opinion the biggest blunder about the new M5 is that it weights a massive 5,400 lbs and substantially more (hundreds of lbs!) than the outgoing model: this puts into perspective the direction taken and result achieved by Porsche with the 992.2 GTS.
Overall Porsche managed to keep the 911 basically in the same weight (ok, the real gain with the same options is about 100 lbs overall) range as the outgoing pure ICE variant while keeping the car compliant with current emission standards and marginally improve performance: this is not a given and not a negligible result.
We may not like how the 911 has evolved in the last 20 years but Porsche has done a decent job overall and the market has proven them right; sure a modern 911 that does not have to comply with current emissions and safety standards or that moves to a complete different pricepoint could be substantially lighter and be similar to a Singer, but it would be more of a supercar that an everyday sportscar.
Overall Porsche managed to keep the 911 basically in the same weight (ok, the real gain with the same options is about 100 lbs overall) range as the outgoing pure ICE variant while keeping the car compliant with current emission standards and marginally improve performance: this is not a given and not a negligible result.
We may not like how the 911 has evolved in the last 20 years but Porsche has done a decent job overall and the market has proven them right; sure a modern 911 that does not have to comply with current emissions and safety standards or that moves to a complete different pricepoint could be substantially lighter and be similar to a Singer, but it would be more of a supercar that an everyday sportscar.
Only good thing about the new M5 is that the priced it well below the Panamera and Mercedes E class equivalents.
Edit: just to add.... it weighs almost as much as my Cadillac Escalade, lol.
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You're taking my comment out of context.
I'm talking about in comparing sports cars. Things that actually differentiate them. And yes, top speed does matter for a sports car. And last I checked, the hypercars include it in their specs.
But keep doing 0-60 and barely beating a Tesla Model Y.
I'm talking about in comparing sports cars. Things that actually differentiate them. And yes, top speed does matter for a sports car. And last I checked, the hypercars include it in their specs.
But keep doing 0-60 and barely beating a Tesla Model Y.
Where do you do 120mph let alone 200mph ?
The road ? Thats just stupid
The track ? At least in NorCal none of the tracks have anything like a long straight to get much above 120-130mph
AutoBahn ? Not an option for me in the US
Private Airstrip ? Automakers Test Ring ? Nascar loops ?
I'd 1000% rather have good acceleration that can be felt than a "bragging number" for a top speed ill never achieve
0-60, 1/4mile ... whatever way you measure it
Ring times also show how capable the car is in a track with bumpy surface, turns, straights etc... both cornering and speed
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Have you ever achieved top speed in ANY modern car?
Where do you do 120mph let alone 200mph ?
The road ? Thats just stupid
The track ? At least in NorCal none of the tracks have anything like a long straight to get much above 120-130mph
AutoBahn ? Not an option for me in the US
Private Airstrip ? Automakers Test Ring ? Nascar loops ?
I'd 1000% rather have good acceleration that can be felt than a "bragging number" for a top speed ill never achieve
0-60, 1/4mile ... whatever way you measure it
Ring times also show how capable the car is in a track with bumpy surface, turns, straights etc... both cornering and speed
Where do you do 120mph let alone 200mph ?
The road ? Thats just stupid
The track ? At least in NorCal none of the tracks have anything like a long straight to get much above 120-130mph
AutoBahn ? Not an option for me in the US
Private Airstrip ? Automakers Test Ring ? Nascar loops ?
I'd 1000% rather have good acceleration that can be felt than a "bragging number" for a top speed ill never achieve
0-60, 1/4mile ... whatever way you measure it
Ring times also show how capable the car is in a track with bumpy surface, turns, straights etc... both cornering and speed
And there are probably more opportunities at Thunderhill.
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... but top speed of a base Carrera is 190mph, not 120-130mph
F1 cars only get above 200mph of certain tracks
I will never hit top speed in my T at any track ive been to
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Have you ever achieved top speed in ANY modern car?
Where do you do 120mph let alone 200mph ?
The road ? Thats just stupid
The track ? At least in NorCal none of the tracks have anything like a long straight to get much above 120-130mph
AutoBahn ? Not an option for me in the US
Private Airstrip ? Automakers Test Ring ? Nascar loops ?
I'd 1000% rather have good acceleration that can be felt than a "bragging number" for a top speed ill never achieve
0-60, 1/4mile ... whatever way you measure it
Ring times also show how capable the car is in a track with bumpy surface, turns, straights etc... both cornering and speed
Where do you do 120mph let alone 200mph ?
The road ? Thats just stupid
The track ? At least in NorCal none of the tracks have anything like a long straight to get much above 120-130mph
AutoBahn ? Not an option for me in the US
Private Airstrip ? Automakers Test Ring ? Nascar loops ?
I'd 1000% rather have good acceleration that can be felt than a "bragging number" for a top speed ill never achieve
0-60, 1/4mile ... whatever way you measure it
Ring times also show how capable the car is in a track with bumpy surface, turns, straights etc... both cornering and speed
Who cares about "top speed"? Bragging rights indeed. Only a total *** clown is going to chest beat about his performance car's top speed. Jeeeezuuus, that is for morons.
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Have you ever achieved top speed in ANY modern car?
Where do you do 120mph let alone 200mph ?
The road ? Thats just stupid
The track ? At least in NorCal none of the tracks have anything like a long straight to get much above 120-130mph
AutoBahn ? Not an option for me in the US
Private Airstrip ? Automakers Test Ring ? Nascar loops ?
I'd 1000% rather have good acceleration that can be felt than a "bragging number" for a top speed ill never achieve
0-60, 1/4mile ... whatever way you measure it
Ring times also show how capable the car is in a track with bumpy surface, turns, straights etc... both cornering and speed
Where do you do 120mph let alone 200mph ?
The road ? Thats just stupid
The track ? At least in NorCal none of the tracks have anything like a long straight to get much above 120-130mph
AutoBahn ? Not an option for me in the US
Private Airstrip ? Automakers Test Ring ? Nascar loops ?
I'd 1000% rather have good acceleration that can be felt than a "bragging number" for a top speed ill never achieve
0-60, 1/4mile ... whatever way you measure it
Ring times also show how capable the car is in a track with bumpy surface, turns, straights etc... both cornering and speed
IMO, the only speed metrics that are relatable, while driving on the street, are 0-50/60mph (to a degree) and merging/passing speeds (e.g., 30-70 mph, etc). On the track, it’s a different story, although I’ve never reached top speed on any car that’ve tracked.. .Saab Turbo, M4 and the 992.1S. I would guess that the vast majority, of even Porsche owners, rarely, if ever, get to the track. Slalom might be more likely….so handling/agility.
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Not trying to be a smart*** but has anyone heard of the Texas mile? www.theusmileracing.com. Don’t know if you could reach top speed in a mile though.
Looks like a more stock R8 hit 156mph.... again far from its top speed.
Perhaps for the one guy who wants to enter his new 911 in the Texas Mile, then the top speed specs might be important to him ??
For the other 99.999% of owners, its pretty meaningless
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Not trying to be a smart*** but has anyone heard of the Texas mile? www.theusmileracing.com. Don’t know if you could reach top speed in a mile though.
When the 991 came out another tuner from Turkey called ES tuning Came along and blew everyone away. They are the ones making the fastest cars now at that time the active forum for this event was. 6speedonline . it’s much more quiet now, but they have kept this thread up-to-date all these years. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...le-thread.html
When he came down to my 992 GTS and my 997 modified turbo and I was planning on getting the new car. One of them had to go and I chose the 992. That is how intense these purpose built cars can be. Right now the record holder at this event is a Ford GT who did the mile in 300 mph. There are videos of it on YouTube. It’s quite a sight and very impressive. Recognize a few names on this forum that have done the event. They don’t post often . as you can see there are some 996s that was smoking 1992 turbo S. The modified car at this level even on stock internals drives totally different. Most of the OEM cars let off at the top of each gear to some degree. These modified cars slam into the next gear then pick up and keep going. The top of that list have changed the internals and have gone up and beyond, it’s a very serious event and I have not totally written off doing it forever.
Edit ... here is the Ford Gt and current record holder ,
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The link shows a bunch of highly tuned cars and bikes for the most part (240mph Mustangs)
Looks like a more stock R8 hit 156mph.... again far from its top speed.
Perhaps for the one guy who wants to enter his new 911 in the Texas Mile, then the top speed specs might be important to him ??
For the other 99.999% of owners, its pretty meaningless
Looks like a more stock R8 hit 156mph.... again far from its top speed.
Perhaps for the one guy who wants to enter his new 911 in the Texas Mile, then the top speed specs might be important to him ??
For the other 99.999% of owners, its pretty meaningless
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I've found it refreshing to stop caring about straight line speed. There is always someone faster. You can just put more money into a car and make it go faster in a straight line, and for the most part the newer car will always be faster in that regard.
I've also realized how important straight line speed is depends on where you live. I live in California, where we have miles and miles of beautiful curvy driving roads and not a lot of super straight, super long roads. A 1300hp Turbo here would feel constrained (let alone some of these Texas mile winner builds), and probably be a great way to kill yourself on a curvy road. Modern cars have been too fast for these kinds of roads for over a decade. But if you live in Texas, straight line acceleration is probably the best way to have fun.
Point is, we all have different preferences. It's totally okay for some to care about 0-60, 0-100, standing mile, etc., and others to care about track times, and others to care most about enjoying the sound and manual input of a lower-hp car in curvy roads.
I've also realized how important straight line speed is depends on where you live. I live in California, where we have miles and miles of beautiful curvy driving roads and not a lot of super straight, super long roads. A 1300hp Turbo here would feel constrained (let alone some of these Texas mile winner builds), and probably be a great way to kill yourself on a curvy road. Modern cars have been too fast for these kinds of roads for over a decade. But if you live in Texas, straight line acceleration is probably the best way to have fun.
Point is, we all have different preferences. It's totally okay for some to care about 0-60, 0-100, standing mile, etc., and others to care about track times, and others to care most about enjoying the sound and manual input of a lower-hp car in curvy roads.
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