JamesPorter911

I’m mid 30’s (fairly young) and I do not like that the analog tachometer is gone. Having the lemans key changed to push button, is not a big deal to me really… I do think the push button looks terribly cheap, and they could have made much nicer looking with some aluminum trim etc. I don’t love that manual transmission is no longer available on the GTS (I’m glad I got a 992.1 build) but will these changes make me never want to buy another new 911? No, I will probably continue to buy their cars for the next 30 years.

Ferrari has basically gone all digital and has done away with manual transmission. Do I still want to own a Ferrari one day? Of course.

I understand people are upset, but the only constant is change.. it’s inevitable.

Tupper

My biggest annoyance is how expensive the Carrera Porsches have gotten.

Sorry, I know this is Rennlist and this will rub some people wrong, but I just don’t think that a Carrera is special enough to justify a $200k price tag.

detansinn

I am right there with you. It’s a car produced in the tens of thousands of units per year, by robots.

I did a hypothetical 992.2 Targa GTS build that came in at $245k. I love 911s, but that’s like $265k rolling off of the lot… before any ADM related nonsense.

I accept that it’s what it costs now, but I am just happy that I already own a 911 that I love and not banging on the glass like the people trying to get one.

jstap808

The base Carrera never should have gone above 100k and the fact that my Carrera s is like 150k with some basic options is absurd. I get inflation and all that but this is price gouging. The fact that so many people are able to buy them at these levels may be even more concerning.

Tobeit

well, the real value is what people are willing to pay...seems enough people are willing (and able) to pay that amount.

ipse dixit

But 200k is no longer a demarcation for what's special in the automotive world anymore.

Zoomnbyu

Realize this isn't a great statistical comparison but FWIW a 1995 Mustang GT cost 32% of a base 1995 Carrera. A 2024 Mustang GT costs 27.5% of a 2024 Carrera, more but not insanely. Think an overall comparison of competitors would show a rising tide lifted all ships.

Mike Murphy

If it wasn’t expensive, it wouldn’t be a Porsche.

Porsche: Proof Of Rich Spoiled Children Having Everything

Porsche: ****** Or Rich ****heads Can Have ‘Em

Porsche: Piece Of Retired Scrap, Continually High Expense

Porsche: Plenty of Receipts, Sorry, Can’t Have Everything

MrSelfDestruct

With inflation, every car will be over $100k someday. Also, I think many people in Singapore and Australia would love a $100k Carrera.

CZS

I know this is Rennlist and I'll likely get blasted for this but, having had both an early run C8 and late run 992.1 C2S, I actually had far fewer issues with my C8. I love my 911 and the driving dynamics are superb, but I have had the engine mount rattle since driving it off the lot, a number of PCM gremlins, various parking sensor errors, etc. OTOH, I had ZERO issues with my C8 over two years of ownership. Fit and finish was actually quite good and not far off of my 911, IMO.

Zoomnbyu

That's fantastic.

detansinn

New, maybe, but if you've got around $200-250k to spend, you can be in a very nice used Ferrari F12, Ferrari 458/488, Lamborghini Huracan, and heck, just about every modern McLaren barring a few specials. That's not getting you a basketcase. That's getting you a nice example with service records that's basically done with its initial depreciation. All special cars.

This is the problem with the 992.2 GTS pricepoint. A used Ferrari F12 is a very lovely thing. Heck, so is a 991.2GT3 which can be had for the same money. There is an upper limit what people will pay for the Carrera experience.

Me? I loved my 992.1 C4S, put over 35k miles on it, and that experience cost me $5k in depreciation -- best car ownership experience ever. Given the 992.2 changes and price hikes, I suspect that I will be holding onto my 3 pedal 991.2 Targa for a while.

ipse dixit

Agree on prices alone.

But we have to take things in context.

200k for a new car is not the same as 200k for a used car.

Some people just want to buy new. Others are ok with used. No right or wrong either way.

Im not making a normative argument. Just a factual observation.

200k is the new 150k for the price of entry for a well spec’d 911.

Again, not saying that’s a right or wrong thing, or a good or bad one.

Just that it is.

Tobeit

just my 2cents...but if someone thinks to switch from a new 992 to a used Lambo, Ferrari etc because of budget (can have a nice used one of these vs a new 992), he should rethink his approach.

net

I'm in this exact dilemma, my GTS spec is $8300 cheaper than the cleanest 2017 488/2014 f12 on the market under 6000 miles + warranty. It's around $58,000 more expensive than a 2017 570GT with around 6k miles + warranty so it's getting much harder to justify getting a Porsche vs a Supercar. One of major reasons I was willing to buy a 911 new is because it's known not to take a depreciation hit as you've mentioned $5k for 35k miles is amazing on a sports car, but I'm not sure buying a new 992.2 base/GTS will net me a similar depreciation to that or a used supercar that have had a major hit net me a lower depreciation.

Care to elaborate I'm not sure what you mean