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@Honinspire02 go to the 991 GT sub and find someone local to you willing to take you for a ride/test drive. The nuances of these cars and our expectations as Porschephiles merit experiencing rather than assuming based on published metrics.
@rk-d I find we're often on the same page and don't think we disagree on this topic either but I think we're approaching it from different perspectives. Firstly, I own a T and would never buy a C2S or a Turbo. Easy to try and delineate what a T might be like from those experiences but they are very different cars. My T weighs just over 3,200 lbs. The average S weighs 3,500 lbs and the average Turbo near 3,700. That alone should tell you something. An S is far more insulated than a T. Out of all the Carreras, the T is the one that most aligns with the GT philosophy and that's by design. The T badge is deceiving. It was meant to be called the Club Sport, as the successor to the 3.2 Club Sport, which was effectively an RS with a Carrera engine. In no way whatsoever does this make the T a competitor to the GT3, nor does it approach it in performance or emotive dimensions like steering or sound. However, if this is a car that will be driven more than once per week, the T might be a more suitable option. IMO, the 992 T is better suited for daily duty, more torque is nice on the road, and since you'll rarely reach 9k, you have to wonder if it's worth the 100k delta. Having said all of this, the 991.2 platform in general is more playful than the 992 platform, the 991.2 GT3T it's also less of a track car than the 992 generation, and if you really want an event car for the weekend, it may not be a bad idea. This is why I keep pushing for the OP to think through his actual user case. It's easy to get swept up in the GT car euphoria. It wasn't that long ago not many people wanted them and would sit at dealers and sell at a discount to MSRP. Now with the wold going EV/auto/turbo, everyone wants a manual GT, driving prices to ridiculous highs despite not making much sense for a lot of people. Talk to dealers and you'll hear many stories of people ordering GT3s only to return a few months later to trade them in on a non GT variant.
Stick to your 992T unless going to a 991.2 gt3
picking a 991.1 right now as replacement not a wise decision. There is the small risk of engine failure.
992 handling and road composure better than 991 overall in general terms
Save money for a 991.2 or 992 gt3 and if not possible then tune your 992T and mod suspension slightly and you will have all you need (ohlins setup). A Softronic tune will make your 992T more potent and torquey than either 991.1 or .2 gt3
I took delivery of an ordered 2024 TTS a few months ago. Took a test drive in a manual GT3 the dealer had and had the best time. Fast forward to last week, I traded my TTS and bought a slightly used GT3T. For my use which will be weekend spirited drives the GT3 will better suite my needs for sure. Before the TTS I had a 2022 GTS that was PDK. Like other have said depends on you use. For a special sunny day car the TTS wasn't doing it, if it was a daily driver the TTS all the way. Plus, the GT3 just looks special as well.
Stick to your 992T unless going to a 991.2 gt3
picking a 991.1 right now as replacement not a wise decision. There is the small risk of engine failure.
992 handling and road composure better than 991 overall in general terms
Save money for a 991.2 or 992 gt3 and if not possible then tune your 992T and mod suspension slightly and you will have all you need (ohlins setup). A Softronic tune will make your 992T more potent and torquey than either 991.1 or .2 gt3
@Honinspire02 go to the 991 GT sub and find someone local to you willing to take you for a ride/test drive. The nuances of these cars and our expectations as Porschephiles merit experiencing rather than assuming based on published metrics.
@rk-d I find we're often on the same page and don't think we disagree on this topic either but I think we're approaching it from different perspectives. Firstly, I own a T and would never buy a C2S or a Turbo. Easy to try and delineate what a T might be like from those experiences but they are very different cars. My T weighs just over 3,200 lbs. The average S weighs 3,500 lbs and the average Turbo near 3,700. That alone should tell you something. An S is far more insulated than a T. Out of all the Carreras, the T is the one that most aligns with the GT philosophy and that's by design. The T badge is deceiving. It was meant to be called the Club Sport, as the successor to the 3.2 Club Sport, which was effectively an RS with a Carrera engine. In no way whatsoever does this make the T a competitor to the GT3, nor does it approach it in performance or emotive dimensions like steering or sound. However, if this is a car that will be driven more than once per week, the T might be a more suitable option. IMO, the 992 T is better suited for daily duty, more torque is nice on the road, and since you'll rarely reach 9k, you have to wonder if it's worth the 100k delta. Having said all of this, the 991.2 platform in general is more playful than the 992 platform, the 991.2 GT3T it's also less of a track car than the 992 generation, and if you really want an event car for the weekend, it may not be a bad idea. This is why I keep pushing for the OP to think through his actual user case. It's easy to get swept up in the GT car euphoria. It wasn't that long ago not many people wanted them and would sit at dealers and sell at a discount to MSRP. Now with the wold going EV/auto/turbo, everyone wants a manual GT, driving prices to ridiculous highs despite not making much sense for a lot of people. Talk to dealers and you'll hear many stories of people ordering GT3s only to return a few months later to trade them in on a non GT variant.
Good points. It wouldn't surprise me to hear the T drives better than the C2S and TTS. I know there have been never ending threads on this, but I can see how that would be true.
Re: GT3 - I think you do have to be into NA to really dig the car. I would bet there is a lot of overlap between GT3 and T owners. Back when the original T came out with the 991.2 gen, I seriously considered it.
You can't beat a 991 (.1 or .2) GT3 on track. Brakes, suspension, etc.
One of the biggest things are the LWB seats, we love installing harness bars and belts in cars for customers. Those that don't opt for LWB's go aftermarket race seats, but that takes the fun out of street driving.
The GT3 has adjustable bars and GT3 arms so you can get a real track alignment.
Brakes- the GT3 has what you need.
Here's a 992RS I just did last week- now THAT would be the ultimate trade up.
Interesting thread, a lot of good points.
I went from a GT4 to a 992C2S to a 992 GT three touring then I ended up keeping the touring and getting a 992 GTS for a driver.
I’ve had the Gt3 for almost 2 years in its environment it’s really fun but its not transportation it can get tiring.
Gts is really quick and as well much more user-friendly but I can’t sell the Gt3 because when I do drive it it’s a really exciting car.
Good points. It wouldn't surprise me to hear the T drives better than the C2S and TTS. I know there have been never ending threads on this, but I can see how that would be true.
Re: GT3 - I think you do have to be into NA to really dig the car. I would bet there is a lot of overlap between GT3 and T owners. Back when the original T came out with the 991.2 gen, I seriously considered it.
Originally Posted by 4carl
Interesting thread, a lot of good points.
I went from a GT4 to a 992C2S to a 992 GT three touring then I ended up keeping the touring and getting a 992 GTS for a driver.
I’ve had the Gt3 for almost 2 years in its environment it’s really fun but its not transportation it can get tiring.
Gts is really quick and as well much more user-friendly but I can’t sell the Gt3 because when I do drive it it’s a really exciting car.
The best solution is to have both, if you can swing it. There is no "better". They are complimentary.
Sorry man but this is incomplete/innacurate information. S and T manual means nothing when we don't know how the cars are equipped. While the quoted weight by Porsche was questionable in the past (quoting based on models available only in Germany for example), the weight measurements have been standardized since about 2015. Quoted weights are the cars with 90% tank full and zero boxes checked in the configurator. The only option that could add weight to my car is full leather, so my car with 90% tank is around 3,240 lbs. There's a European publication that weighed a T below the Porsche quoted weight, which likely means the gas tank was lower than 90% full. When I say the average S weighs around 3,500 lbs., I mean most S cars have rear seats, standard glass, standard insulation, heavier brakes, PDK, sunroof and various other options that put them in that range. Are there Ss that weigh less than 3,500? Sure! Maybe even a hair below 3,400 lbs. but they are the minority.
Sorry man but this is incomplete/innacurate information. S and T manual means nothing when we don't know how the cars are equipped. While the quoted weight by Porsche was questionable in the past (quoting based on models available only in Germany for example), the weight measurements have been standardized since about 2015. Quoted weights are the cars with 90% tank full and zero boxes checked in the configurator. The only option that could add weight to my car is full leather, so my car with 90% tank is around 3,240 lbs. There's a European publication that weighed a T below the Porsche quoted weight, which likely means the gas tank was lower than 90% full. When I say the average S weighs around 3,500 lbs., I mean most S cars have rear seats, standard glass, standard insulation, heavier brakes, PDK, sunroof and various other options that put them in that range. Are there Ss that weigh less than 3,500? Sure! Maybe even a hair below 3,400 lbs. but they are the minority.
Actually I’d say C&D quoted figures are very reliable as they’re always with a full tank of fuel. With all due respect your original 300lb delta is way off the mark when comparing manual transmission T and S 992s. The particular and individual tests I took the weights from lists the test car options as well. Their T had 4-ways, no rear seats, no sunroof, and the larger tank. The S was quite basic but obviously had rear seats and the normal glass.
When comparing weights, apples to apples is best. Remember, there are a LOT of T’s equipped with PDK and sunroof so we shouldn’t compare lightest spec of one to heaviest of the other. As with the 991.2 T’s, the number of cars lightly optioned and therefore lightest are rare.
Actually I’d say C&D quoted figures are very reliable as they’re always with a full tank of fuel. With all due respect your original 300lb delta is way off the mark when comparing manual transmission T and S 992s. The particular and individual tests I took the weights from lists the test car options as well. Their T had 4-ways, no rear seats, no sunroof, and the larger tank. The S was quite basic but obviously had rear seats and the normal glass.
When comparing weights, apples to apples is best. Remember, there are a LOT of T’s equipped with PDK and sunroof so we shouldn’t compare lightest spec of one to heaviest of the other. As with the 991.2 T’s, the number of cars lightly optioned and therefore lightest are rare.
Oh and to the OP…….it’s a call only you can make. As many here have said, how you’ll use the car will determine which car makes you happiest. My personal view is the more you use the car, the more likely you’d be happiest in the T. GT3s are hero cars but their more focused nature will dictate small compromises here and there for more “my hair is not on fire” driving.
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