And again, I may seem ignorant to you, but guess what---there are more idiots like me out there with spending power than you think. Whether or not carmakers can convince me that a sports car product with a pure electric motor is worth spending $200k on, well that's not my problem.

Because I can do anything I want with my money.

 

I think your point is well-taken, there will be existing 911 owners that will walk away from a future 911 hybrid. You have your reasons and they are personal but valid. I suspect just as many new customers will engage with a hybrid 911 as those that leave. I personally have no problem with hybridization and view it as a positive in the development of the 911. Porsche will do it right.

 

That's fine, don't buy something you don't want to buy. I honestly believe that BEV sports cars will eventually reach a point where they are just so dominant at everything that only hipsters* will be driving around in ICE vehicles. Personally I'm not interested in any of the current gen BEV's. I'm waiting for the long promised solid state batteries to arrive.

Right now I think my ideal 2035 proof sports car would be: PHEV - 60 miles of EV exclusive range - 550 combined HP - 3200lbs - PDK*

* I need 3 pedals, but I realize they need to have this system automated. Others are toying around with *fake* shifting. I think a "clutch" pedal that worked with the clutch packs like the brake pedal in a brake by wire system would be a way to do it authentically. Then give me a nice video game simulator type shifting mechanism. Tie the nannies to the drive mode just like everything else in the car, touring won't let you stall etc, full disable and you get stalls and clutch burns and money shifts. just my .02


*No hate intended hipsters, you keep doing you.

 

If that were true, Porsche would already have a hybrid 911 out there

 

At some point, you won't have a choice. No one is saying you have to buy one but there will be a point in the next 15 years where even Porsche won't have a pure ICE sports car left.

The hybrid 918s didn't sit on dealer's lots...

 

There is a big difference between hybrids like the 918, SF90 and even E ray and the compliance system that will likely end up on the 911 S/GTS. The Turbo S E Hybrid or whatever they call it will have a high performance system like those other cars and will also cost big $$.

 

The idea that a Porsche 911 is going to become some kind of 6 figure Prius prime is kind of hard to imagine.

 

I think I made the mistake of having people think I'm against hybrids, so I just want to be clear.

I have no problem with hybrids, when done correctly. And I understand that hybrids is the point of this thread.

I wrongly sorta took us off course by getting into pure EV sports cars. In other words, I'm fine with electrification until the point where you remove the internal combustion component. That's where I think there are issues, for reasons I already stated in earlier posts

 

AFAIK that never has to happen. As long as the vehicle is capable of XXXXX amount of miles (Aspirational/moving goal post) amount of miles in "pure EV" mode, then it's a BEV as far as the regs are concerned. At worst I believe there will be zones in certain sensitive areas that will be designated Electric operation only in the future. Hospitals, schools, retirement communities, etc (heads up for you folks with an HOA....)

 

My point is hybridization on sports cars has already been proven and are insanely good. You don’t see many people complaining about their hybrid 918s. I agree cost is going to become a factor and we will have see how that plays out.

Hybrids can be designed to the most fuel efficient to the other end of hypercars. Everything in between will come too.

 

your choice...this does have a small entertainment value now...LOL

 

It's a shame that some countries are so polarized in politics and everything else that trickles down form there. From an apolitical view, there's a place for action, a place for skepticism, a place for adoption and a place for resistance. People laughed at cars and thought they would never replace the horse and buggy, yet here we are. Enjoy your ICE cars, I sure am enjoying mine, and stay open to change. I love the sound of a cup car and was taken aback by the Millennium-Falcon-like sound of the GT4 ePerformance lapping Laguna Seca. I don't think Porsche is going to make a boring hybrid/EV sports car.

 

The 911 will absolutely have a performance system not a compliance system. The prices of the 918 and LaFerrari systems have dropped enormously since a decade ago. The 296 and Artura are fantastic. The artura at this point is only slightly more expensive than a TTS. These systems can be made more cost effective at Porsche scale, and I have 100% faith that Porsche’s engineers will make the first 911 hybrid completely bonkers.

The 296 and Artura also both offer pure ice variants on the same platform for cup cars. 100% Porsche will have pure ice variants on the same platform as hybrids. It’s going to be a long long time before these platforms are incapable of running ice.

 

There will be a 911 with a system with similar capabilities to the Artura and 296, and it will be priced similarly. That will not be the 911 S/GTS models.

Think about the business case for Porsche. They have no need to markedly improve power in the 992 cars, they need to decrease emissions to make them compliant - this is the purpose of hybridization. Why would they spend $10-15k per car to install a high performance hybrid system, when they keep talking about increasing margins. They release a High end Hybrid variant of the 911 probably a variant of the Turbo S to make hybrids look good, and so that people will not look down on the hybrids in the other vehicles.

 

Having owned an EV now for over a year all I can say is, and I've said this before, when the pure 718 EV is released it will make our 992's feel so, so old school. Which is fine by me, it already does .