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So a hybrid 911 is now in 2025? And the Cayman/Boxster ICE will survive along the EV version?
Porsche engineers probably saying that a hybrid model isn't as good as ICE for mass-produced sports car. And Porsche managers probably saying why would we significantly alter a product with years-long wait lists.
And all the posters claiming inside knowledge of release dates and trim level changes are just talking trash
Came across these two babies on the Grossglocker in Austria while on vacation this summer. The test drivers were super friendly and I had nice long chat with them during their cigarette break. They confirmed these two 992.2 turbo/turbo-S test mules had a hybrid powertrain and said they were still far from production state but that the power, response and handling was astonishing. They would however not disclose any numbers (I still tried but was not expecting an answer).
I was searching for something the other day and came across a thread from 2018 where a guy planned on buying a GT car and selling a few years later for MSRP.
Responses were chastising him saying he’s effing dreaming, etc.
Came across these two babies on the Grossglocker in Austria while on vacation this summer. The test drivers were super friendly and I had nice long chat with them during their cigarette break. They confirmed these two 992.2 turbo/turbo-S test mules had a hybrid powertrain and said they were still far from production state but that the power, response and handling was astonishing. They would however not disclose any numbers (I still tried but was not expecting an answer).
The same people who predict future porsches have the same success rate as the stock market experts, the weathermen, and the NFL score predictors.
Not really. Facts are out at least for 24 and 25 models since the factory has to do production plans and then discuss and allocate with main big dealers. One of my knows the prelinimary cars they are getting for summer 2024. Specs are out also for the main things for 24/25 models. Hybrids or not and bhps for sure.
if you think about the car is launching in 4 months - this again was a fact. Even if the car launch is now delayed to 7 months it still means the specs are final and is not launching in four months because of other problems. If the specs are final - which they are - it means people know about them and even apple suffers from leaks.
That does not mean delays will not happen. But main dealers do have the info. It is a bit different maybe in the US because PCNA is in the middle.
Last edited by silversurfer6; Oct 24, 2023 at 07:19 PM.
Nobody knows the complete details of the vehicles except for senior staff at Porsche. They may have told dealers when the releases will take place, and maybe shown some renderings to some senior dealership personnel at an in person meeting. Exact specs, and electronic images are not usually released to dealership personnel until shortly before it is public information.
Of course all of it is speculation, but almost all signs point to the 992.2 being largely hybridized. From what I read in Motor Trend's article, the 992.2 with hybridized variants will be available in late 2024 (which is "about the middle of the decade") and the high performance Hybrid (likely Turbo S E Hybrid) will follow a year plus later.
If you want to know for certain, when a manufacturer is going to do anything with a future power-train, keep checking the California EO's (Executive Orders). California issues EO's when CARB (California Air Resources Board) approves a new power-train for any manufacturer.
Follow this website. It's public knowledge and it often precedes any OEM's press releases, sometimes by two years or more. Unless or until a manufacturer gets an EO, they won't be selling any vehicles in the USA with that power-train. Too many states other than California, require CARB's approval.
Ex: Some 2024 911's EO's are covered in the attached EO document. https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/prog...ertification#6
Last edited by Bluehighways; Oct 25, 2023 at 01:40 AM.
Came across these two babies on the Grossglocker in Austria while on vacation this summer. The test drivers were super friendly and I had nice long chat with them during their cigarette break. They confirmed these two 992.2 turbo/turbo-S test mules had a hybrid powertrain and said they were still far from production state but that the power, response and handling was astonishing. They would however not disclose any numbers (I still tried but was not expecting an answer).
Hybrid 911 turbo does open the way for e- turbos. Mercedes already uses them. Electric anti-lag.
Not really. Facts are out at least for 24 and 25 models since the factory has to do production plans and then discuss and allocate with main big dealers. One of my knows the prelinimary cars they are getting for summer 2024. Specs are out also for the main things for 24/25 models. Hybrids or not and bhps for sure.
if you think about the car is launching in 4 months - this again was a fact. Even if the car launch is now delayed to 7 months it still means the specs are final and is not launching in four months because of other problems. If the specs are final - which they are - it means people know about them and even apple suffers from leaks.
That does not mean delays will not happen. But main dealers do have the info. It is a bit different maybe in the US because PCNA is in the middle.
Well let us in on what you know-what are the final specs on the 25 Carerra S???
If you want to know for certain, when a manufacturer is going to do anything with a future power-train, keep checking the California EO's (Executive Orders). California issues EO's when CARB (California Air Resources Board) approves a new power-train for any manufacturer.
Follow this website. It's public knowledge and it often precedes any OEM's press releases, sometimes by two years or more. Unless or until a manufacturer gets an EO, they won't be selling any vehicles in the USA with that power-train. Too many states other than California, require CARB's approval.
Ex: Some 2024 911's EO's are covered in the attached EO document. https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/prog...ertification#6
I'd love for car manufacturers to just say f#$k you to California and build cars that completely disregard their nonsense. Let us all enjoy our cars, and just send California the EV's. After all, it seems to be what folks in California (and States that follow it) want to drive anyhow. Let them have their EV's, and send the rest of the States proper ICE sports cars. The rest of America is so huge that there is easily a large enough market to justify the investment.
I'd love for car manufacturers to just say f#$k you to California and build cars that completely disregard their nonsense. Let us all enjoy our cars, and just send California the EV's. After all, it seems to be what folks in California (and States that follow it) want to drive anyhow. Let them have their EV's, and send the rest of the States proper ICE sports cars. The rest of America is so huge that there is easily a large enough market to justify the investment.
Not really.
California’s GDP in 2022 was $3.6T, representing 14.3% of the total U.S. economy. If California were a country, it would be the 5th largest economy in the world, and more productive than India and the United Kingdom.
It would be business suicide for a car marque to ignore CA. To say nothing of the potential impact to a non-CA compliant car on the resale market.
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