This is what it must have been like at the Porsche meets when the water cooled engine rumors started circulating in the 90s.

 

ICE engines are "largely" better than EVs except for the day to day emissions which will be sorted out eventually (synthetic fuels, hydrogen).

 

Anyone who knows much about this will recognize how false this statement is.

Forget emissions, its more energy efficient to burn fossil fuels in a power plant to charge an EV than it is to burn them locally to run an ICE.

 

Synthetic fuels are still gasoline. The advantage is only that they're carbon neutral but only if they're created with carbon neutral energy sources. They're still a hydrocarbon. The cost of synthetic fuels is still an unknown until they are produced at scale. Hydrogen may be the answer since the byproduct of combusting it is water. EVs break even with carbon output compared to ICE at around 10k miles of use and improve after that.

I don't know the impacts of mining for lithium vs extracting and refining crude oil, but as far as the vehicles themselves EVs are more environmentally friendly as of today in the long run. They are also quieter and smoother with less moving parts and less maintenance requirements.

That being said I've never driven an EV that I'd spend my own money on, which includes every Tesla ever made, the Nissan Leaf, and a Taycan. And that's not including me having to figure out the challenge of charging with day to day use which would be another detractor.

 

Well consider that fossil fuels are part of an open system. You pull them out of the ground, burn them, and then the products are released / stuck in the atmosphere.

With metals in batteries you have a closed system. Once you have them you can keep recycling/upcycling them in a closed loop.

 

I wonder why every single Porsche model is selling more than last year in US except for their EV Taycan which is down 10%, but Taycan sales are up 11% WW. I guess once incentives are no longer offered (as they went away for US buyers in 2023), people buy what they really want.

 

ICE engines are highly inefficient

 

Sorry but this seems oversimplistic. People hoarding the last of ICE and manuals before they become extinct does not mean there is little or no appetite for EVs. Tesla has been nearly doubling sales every year since inception. Not defending EVs as I don't have a dog in that fight. Just adding context.

 

it's an incomplete picture anyway. Sales could be down because they simply couldn't ship as many for what ever reason.

 

Looking forward to Porsche having to slash the price of the next 911 because it’s all-wheel-drive, watercooled, not a mezger, PDK, electric steering​​​​​, too big, hybrid.



*feel free to copy and paste this with the correct amendment each generation*

 

Won't happen. Just like people bought the water cooled-996 they'll buy the Hybrid 911.

 

Shame batteries lose their power overnight though.

Was principally poking fun at the ridiculous statement that if you ignore one massive contributor to a systems emissions the system becomes okay. Not intending to present/represent that ICE is the answer.

 

Lol…what?
Any energy (batteries store energy, not power) loss over night is negligible.

 

You are right, 992's are notorious for doing this. EV's not so much.

 

Actually, Taycans had an early problem where the 12V battery would drain and die. And…(this is the best part)…as I recall, the issue only occurred when the car was plugged in.

This has since been fixed (it wasn’t an issue by the time I got my car in 21, so I’m only vaguely familiar with it). And it was, of course, an error on the Taycan and not an inherent flaw in EVs generally. Amusing none-the-less.