The 992 GT3 forum is having a similar thread https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...l#post19077358

im glad gretaism hasn’t taken over the GT guys

 

^ Well, it's not that people will moan and groan. It's that people won't buy it.

The 911 is a stupid car as an EV. When you buy a 911 you are buying the rear engine layout and the flat 6. Everybody knows this. To think that I'm going to spend $150k to buy a car with the same drivetrain as every ceiling fan on the planet, just because they shoehorned it into a 911's body, is silly.

You environmentalists here are so smug with how good it all is for the environment, but what you're missing is--you can't MAKE me spend my money on something that I don't want. And you aren't going to get people excited about an electric 911 because it's just a dumb idea. Why would anyone buy that when you can just get the same thing for 1/3 the price with a Kia or a Hyundai or a Tesla or God knows what else? I don't think people here are thinking this through. It's the drivetrain, dummy! (kinda like "It's the economy, dummy!"). A large chunk of what the well heeled high end sports care buyer is paying for is that.

If it weren't the drivetrain, then the Mazda Miata's already got everyone beat.

 

All you guys throwing in Greta barbs, sound really cool and manly.

 

As a newly public company, Ferrari should have hired you before they committed to SF90 and the GTB ‘drivetrains’.

 

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. If you honestly don't know anything about the engineering or technology that goes into EV's how you can you possibly have an opinion about them?

I mean seriously, would you listen to the drivetrain opinions of someone who didn't know the difference between a cummins, an ecoboost, and a porsche motor?

 

^ Except that the SF90 and GTB have ICE engines in them (prominently on display), so......

 

^ You just don't get my point. I understand that plenty of engineering goes into electric motors. My exact words were:

All of the engineering in the world doesn't necessarily translate into sales. I stand by my assertion that a highly engineered all-electric 911 will be silly, and won't sell well. But I guess it will be good for the environment

 

It's simple, people will buy them when they are the better option for what they are looking to do with them. That's just how things seem to work most of the time.

Everyone is different, every use case is different. Horses are still used for a lot of things.

 

^ I understand why you're saying that, but I don't think that is how this will play out.

If you look at why European sports cars cost so much more than their Japanese counterparts (with the exception of a few things like the Acura NSX, Lexus LFA, Nissan GTR), it boils down to drivetrain..

If you just want lightweight fun, drive a Miata or a HondaS2000, I guess (or perhaps somebody can bring back the mid-engine MR2?). It's cheap and it can be thrown around a track.

But everything that makes Porsche, AMG, Ferrari, etc special has in some way to do with drivetrain. The flat 6 rear engine layout. The flat plane crank V8. The twin turbo V8. The NA V12. The NA V10. The mid-engine. The manual transmission.

These special drivetrains are how these cars are different from eachother. Once you go all EV, you remove the most important item that differentiates cars, and they all pretty much become uniform with the exception of superficial styling.

For the discriminating buyer, I'm not sure people will be willing to shell out tons more money when the industry becomes so uniform.

 

And the 911 hybrids won’t? Guess I learned something new today after all.

 

Again, I think your just discriminating against things you aren't familiar with / not interested in. Not going to speculate on pricing, but there are absolutely legendary drivetrains from the Japanese automakers, as well as other markets ( barra I'm looking at you ).

 

Apparently the 992 has space in the transmission for a pancake type electric motor
Vonnen already make a kit that replaces the flywheel with such a motor and adds 150HP for all sorts of older 911's
Its a 170lbs addition, so like adding a passenger or a bit more than a full tank of gas, less than the spread of weights across the range of 992's (GT3 to Carrera to Turbo is more like 600lbs spread)

.... and of course that 918 Spyder with its Hybrid was such a POS they couldn't sell any of them ;-)

 

This is a radial flux type motor. Electric assist is an absolute blessing of a power/functionality adder to the ICE, and it will only get better as battery technology evolves.

"In a package that weighs just 63 pounds, the Quark develops 335 hp and 443 lb-ft of torque. "




https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...lectric-motor/

 

RE: “Incentivized”

Just like we do now, and have done for oil production for most of the 20th and 21st centuries. …despite the oil producers making record profits, year, after year, after year, the incentives continue.

https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/page...vironment.html

Making a hybrid sports car makes damn good sense if it can be done effectively, and doesn’t cost an arm and leg, and does not significantly alter the car’s characteristics that most consumers want. For one, if it makes the car faster/quicker than current versions of the 911, then I’m on board…and knowing Porsche, I suspect they will do a fantastic job. Nevertheless, a few Neanderthals in the crowd will resist…and that’s fine….don’t get one. But it’s happening, whether some don’t like the idea. Let the market determine whether people will still eat up everything that is named Porsche. I suspect consumers will still buy, provided the price for a hybrid and/or a EV doesn’t force some consumers out of the game. In the end, the only thing Porsche cares about are profits.

 

I'm not arguing against hybrids. I think those will do fine. I'm talking about pure EV sports cars