When Will Allocations Pick Back Up
09-15-2023 | 03:39 PM
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I have been waiting for a MSRP T allocation at a dealer but was told that the list has not moved at all. Last round of allocation they have only gotten 1/2 spots.
Last week another dealer is offered a Dec T allocation with $10K markup. I only want to pay MSRP.
Tbh, this Pcar buying process has been infuriating and has left a super bad taste with me as a brand. I ordered a new M2 last month, no wait/no mark-up and it's being delivered next month.
I have been debating pulling my deposit because I shouldn't feel like this spending $140-150K imo.
Last week another dealer is offered a Dec T allocation with $10K markup. I only want to pay MSRP.
Tbh, this Pcar buying process has been infuriating and has left a super bad taste with me as a brand. I ordered a new M2 last month, no wait/no mark-up and it's being delivered next month.
I have been debating pulling my deposit because I shouldn't feel like this spending $140-150K imo.
09-15-2023 | 11:36 PM
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Here is the Porsche AG news release on moving overflow 718 production. 718 overflow production Osnabrueck
09-15-2023 | 11:43 PM
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Porsche is definitely next level compared to M cars. However, you can't beat the current price to performance ratio that BMW M cars are offering these days. Options for a 2 Door / 4 seater / 6 spd / 450HP car are very limited today. All for about $70K. I dig it. I am just trying to buy a new one before they all become extinct in a few years.
This is why I think it is a shame that Porsche is not making these cars more accessible now given we are in the last few years before everything is EV/Hybrid/Automatic. The 994 will definitely be some sort of hybrid and will be more digital than the 992. If they only keep the non-hybrid motors and manual gear box for GT cars, that driving experience will even be more out of reach for the next gen. In the mean time, I will just sit here quietly and wait for my turn to spec a new 992 =)
This is why I think it is a shame that Porsche is not making these cars more accessible now given we are in the last few years before everything is EV/Hybrid/Automatic. The 994 will definitely be some sort of hybrid and will be more digital than the 992. If they only keep the non-hybrid motors and manual gear box for GT cars, that driving experience will even be more out of reach for the next gen. In the mean time, I will just sit here quietly and wait for my turn to spec a new 992 =)
The exterior fit and finish seemed as good as Porsche and the interior was between a 718/992 base model and a leather interior model (with deviated stitching). And while I like that Porsche doesn’t really force you into big option packages, for $63k, just about everything is included in the M2 you need. You can spend another $15k in options but aren’t necessary.
09-16-2023 | 11:42 PM
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It's disappointing but expected given the current market
Luxury item purchases in general, as we know, tend to defy reality as the motivation for doing so differs greatly from those of true core items.
It is a reset that will only occur when such economic conditions equilibrate, if ever
Until then, said motivation resides solely in the eye of the beholder
Best of luck boys ..
Luxury item purchases in general, as we know, tend to defy reality as the motivation for doing so differs greatly from those of true core items.
It is a reset that will only occur when such economic conditions equilibrate, if ever
Until then, said motivation resides solely in the eye of the beholder
Best of luck boys ..
09-17-2023 | 01:21 AM
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They are definitely losing money. If you measure it by a sale lost because they couldn't meet demand, they are losing money. About 2 months ago I walked on a Range Rover Sport purchase. Buying one of those is similar to buying a 911 - with how the dealers handle the sale, pricing, wait lists, etc. Same experience. I went and bought a Lexus RX instead, saved myself $25K, and you know what - it's fine for an everyday vehicle, I really didn't need a RR Sport especially given the difficulties of acquiring one. Is that a lost sale for Land Rover? It sure is, my money was sent to Toyota and I'm not going to be a Land Rover customer now. The 911 has a more loyal following, but it's not infinite.
09-17-2023 | 09:51 AM
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The war in Ukraine continues to have a huge impact on the Porsche supply chain. Pre-war, suppliers in Ukraine were responsible for making the wire harnesses for most of the VAG marques. While that production has moved to various other nations, moving a whole supply chain is hard. In some respects the war in Ukraine has had a more significant impact on production than COVID.
09-17-2023 | 09:55 AM
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09-17-2023 | 10:54 AM
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This is not how companies that have long histories and value their brand operate, the supply is limited because they have production constraints, not because they are trying to create some intentional shortage of vehicles. Car dealers operate this way because the dealership management and salespeople are largely there just to make a buck and move on.
09-17-2023 | 02:50 PM
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This is not how companies that have long histories and value their brand operate, the supply is limited because they have production constraints, not because they are trying to create some intentional shortage of vehicles. Car dealers operate this way because the dealership management and salespeople are largely there just to make a buck and move on.
It would like to have a word with you. Actually, several words.
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10-16-2023 | 09:53 PM
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Nearly 1k more 911s to the US in Q3 2023 than Q3 2022
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...023-34065.html
Global 911 sales up 27% this year
Porsche China sales down 10% this year
Us suckers still waiting for an allocation have reason to hope.
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11-02-2023 | 04:54 PM
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Has anyone heard if normal 911 allocations are dropping this week? Looking at the GT4/Spyder and GT3 sub forums it looks like GT car allocations have started trickling into dealers this week, but no one has been able to confirm if non GT cars (like Carrera T) are coming in too. I try to plan my dealer outreach really strategically so hoping to know before I begin this next round of outreach!