Lots of info on 992.2 and future in CAR magazine
06-30-2023, 11:54 AM
#106
ZERO interest in a hybrid 911 and would recover my Targa GTS wait list deposit if that was the only configuration available.
The mandated move to EV violates my core convictions for love / protection of the environment and of humanity. IMO it is not my position to convert the uniformed and those who don't care about the permanent long-term damage caused by this folly.
The mandated move to EV violates my core convictions for love / protection of the environment and of humanity. IMO it is not my position to convert the uniformed and those who don't care about the permanent long-term damage caused by this folly.
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verstraete (06-30-2023)
06-30-2023, 12:40 PM
#107
Selling both platforms would make sense for customers (minus the huge cost and packaging concerns for each type of locomotion) but there have been no new mules spotted with the gas engine to my knowledge.
I hope you are right, but from a logistics and manufacturing standpoint it wouldn’t make much sense (Taycan is built on a different line than the 718 and 911). It would be a good way for Porsche to hedge just in case the EV’s fall flat and they can course correct.
I hope you are right, but from a logistics and manufacturing standpoint it wouldn’t make much sense (Taycan is built on a different line than the 718 and 911). It would be a good way for Porsche to hedge just in case the EV’s fall flat and they can course correct.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/v...102056720.html
06-30-2023, 01:08 PM
#108
New article on how Porsche may be 'rethinking' EVs.
Porsche Considers Keeping The ICE-Powered Macan Alive For Longer | Carscoops
I really hope Porsche is listening and that the hybrid system becomes an option, so those who don't want it can avoid!
Porsche Considers Keeping The ICE-Powered Macan Alive For Longer | Carscoops
I really hope Porsche is listening and that the hybrid system becomes an option, so those who don't want it can avoid!
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06-30-2023, 01:43 PM
#109
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There will be increasing weakness in the used EV market once widespread knowledge about the $5K to $50K / ~10 year lifetime replacement battery pack cost becomes commonly understood.
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BED997 (06-30-2023)
06-30-2023, 03:06 PM
#110
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No there won’t. First of all there isn’t a 10 year life span. Sure they won’t last as long but it’ll be well over 20-30 years for these cars to actually need a replacement. Secondly the maintenance saved over a ten year period is roughly equal to the cost of a battery replacement.
06-30-2023, 03:09 PM
#111
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No there won’t. First of all there isn’t a 10 year life span. Sure they won’t last as long but it’ll be well over 20-30 years for these cars to actually need a replacement. Secondly the maintenance saved over a ten year period is roughly equal to the cost of a battery replacement.
I think the more likely scenario is that these EV’s become paperweights in 15 years. Earth saving paperweights.
06-30-2023, 03:18 PM
#112
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https://www.motor1.com/news/667459/a...ed%20to%202022.
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06-30-2023, 03:21 PM
#113
No there won’t. First of all there isn’t a 10 year life span. Sure they won’t last as long but it’ll be well over 20-30 years for these cars to actually need a replacement. Secondly the maintenance saved over a ten year period is roughly equal to the cost of a battery replacement.
06-30-2023, 03:24 PM
#114
Burning Brakes
Average price of a new EV in 2023: $59,000
Inflation rate since 2005: 56%
EV’s trend at a much higher retail that can’t be explained by purely inflation. The difference is, repairs to keep a 2005 car on the road today do not equal the original MSRP.
06-30-2023, 03:30 PM
#115
New article on how Porsche may be 'rethinking' EVs.
Porsche Considers Keeping The ICE-Powered Macan Alive For Longer | Carscoops
I really hope Porsche is listening and that the hybrid system becomes an option, so those who don't want it can avoid!
Porsche Considers Keeping The ICE-Powered Macan Alive For Longer | Carscoops
I really hope Porsche is listening and that the hybrid system becomes an option, so those who don't want it can avoid!
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adrianp89 (06-30-2023)
06-30-2023, 04:15 PM
#116
But neither of these types of hybrids will likely be in the Carrera range.
They will most likely be 'mild-hybrids' with an even smaller battery and no electric motors at all. A starter/generator in the PDK would handle smooth start/stop and provide supplemental torque off the line until a single turbo is making boost.
They will most likely be 'mild-hybrids' with an even smaller battery and no electric motors at all. A starter/generator in the PDK would handle smooth start/stop and provide supplemental torque off the line until a single turbo is making boost.
06-30-2023, 05:21 PM
#117
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Many are listing a 8 to 10 year lifetime. Batteries are typically considered End of Life (EOL) when the capacity degrades below 50% of the nameplate rating.
One of the many insidious "features" of EV batteries is that EOL batteries are either shredded and disposed in a landfill, or shipped out of the US and incinerated. Thank goodness the Earth is sooo huge to tolerate these abhorrent environmental abuses w/o adverse effects.
06-30-2023, 05:51 PM
#118
ZERO interest in a hybrid 911 and would recover my Targa GTS wait list deposit if that was the only configuration available.
The mandated move to EV violates my core convictions for love / protection of the environment and of humanity. IMO it is not my position to convert the uniformed and those who don't care about the permanent long-term damage caused by this folly.
The mandated move to EV violates my core convictions for love / protection of the environment and of humanity. IMO it is not my position to convert the uniformed and those who don't care about the permanent long-term damage caused by this folly.
When I was growing up in SoCal many years ago, I remember the air, on many Summer days, was so thick, so toxic with smog caused by automotive pollution that my parents forbid me to play outside.
Back then, we had people with enough common sense, who didn’t frame every issue in political terms, that decided enough, was enough and to do the right thing. They mandated that car manufacturers stop poisoning our air. As I look outside my house today, again, I see thick toxic air. A orange haze. But this time, it;’s not from car pollution, but from wildfires whose smoke has blanketed many US and Canadian cities with an orange haze. Sadly, this is no longer an exception, but has become normal…due, in part to man-made global warming.
Sometimes, mandates are necessary for the greater good.
LA, circa 1975 -
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06-30-2023, 06:12 PM
#119
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There will not be an EV 911 anytime soon (if ever). I don’t understand all the hand-wringing.
06-30-2023, 06:23 PM
#120
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.... it’s been very clear that we're talking more than a mild-hybrid for the coming 911. Mild hybrid is a nifty fuel efficiency trick. Literally the INITIAL press around the 992 made a specific point that the transmission was specially designed with extra space to house hybrid drivetrain...
Might they also launch a true hybrid? Yeah, likely. But it will be for performance…think 918, 296, E-Ray, etc. Or to replace the front drivetrain on AWD models. Or both.
What Porsche is not going to introduce is a 911-shaped Prius, despite what most here seem be afraid of.