I'm wondering how the pre-owned 992 market will be after the release of the hybrid 911. Alot of folks, myself included are not sold on the EV/ Hybrid movement. I guess thats from growing up in the late 60's early 70's muscle car era.

 

It is a daily topic in the boardroom for sure.


https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/v...102056720.html

 

New article on how Porsche may be 'rethinking' EVs.
Porsche Considers Keeping The ICE-Powered Macan Alive For Longer | Carscoops


I really hope Porsche is listening and that the hybrid system becomes an option, so those who don't want it can avoid!

 

There will be increasing weakness in the used EV market once widespread knowledge about the $5K to $50K / ~10 year lifetime replacement battery pack cost becomes commonly understood.

 

No there won’t. First of all there isn’t a 10 year life span. Sure they won’t last as long but it’ll be well over 20-30 years for these cars to actually need a replacement. Secondly the maintenance saved over a ten year period is roughly equal to the cost of a battery replacement.

 

I’m sure those people who are “saving” on maintenance by going to an EV are squirreling away that money for a battery pack in today’s YOLO culture….

I think the more likely scenario is that these EV’s become paperweights in 15 years. Earth saving paperweights.

 

what’s so different than what we have already? How many cars from 2005 are still on the road? I’d guess number is lower than you think. Average age of cars on the road is 12.5 year and that number is driven higher by COVID shortages.

https://www.motor1.com/news/667459/a...ed%20to%202022.

 

Maybe the cost of maintaining a 911 for 10 years will pay for a battery....no way that works out for mainstream cars though.

 

Average price of a new vehicle in 2005: $23,000

Average price of a new EV in 2023: $59,000

Inflation rate since 2005: 56%

EV’s trend at a much higher retail that can’t be explained by purely inflation. The difference is, repairs to keep a 2005 car on the road today do not equal the original MSRP.

 

This info came from a Porsche dealer meeting in the Canary Islands...Im sure there are quite a few people out there now with juicy info on the 992.2 as well.

 

.... its been very clear that we're talking more than a mild-hybrid for the coming 911. Mild hybrid is a nifty fuel efficiency trick. Literally the INITIAL press around the 992 made a specific point that the transmission was specially designed with extra space to house hybrid drivetrain...

 

There is LOTS of online information guessing about the useable battery life.

Many are listing a 8 to 10 year lifetime. Batteries are typically considered End of Life (EOL) when the capacity degrades below 50% of the nameplate rating.

One of the many insidious "features" of EV batteries is that EOL batteries are either shredded and disposed in a landfill, or shipped out of the US and incinerated. Thank goodness the Earth is sooo huge to tolerate these abhorrent environmental abuses w/o adverse effects.

 

When I was growing up in SoCal many years ago, I remember the air, on many Summer days, was so thick, so toxic with smog caused by automotive pollution that my parents forbid me to play outside.

Back then, we had people with enough common sense, who didn’t frame every issue in political terms, that decided enough, was enough and to do the right thing. They mandated that car manufacturers stop poisoning our air. As I look outside my house today, again, I see thick toxic air. A orange haze. But this time, it;’s not from car pollution, but from wildfires whose smoke has blanketed many US and Canadian cities with an orange haze. Sadly, this is no longer an exception, but has become normal…due, in part to man-made global warming.

Sometimes, mandates are necessary for the greater good.

LA, circa 1975 -

 

Price range for 2012 Tesla Model S on cars.com is $20-30k. MSRP was under $60k.

There will not be an EV 911 anytime soon (if ever). I don’t understand all the hand-wringing.

 

No, we’re not. The fact that the transmission is “specially designed” for a supplemental power supply is exactly what is pointing to a ‘mild-hybrid’ system. That’s where the starter/generator goes in such systems.

Might they also launch a true hybrid? Yeah, likely. But it will be for performance…think 918, 296, E-Ray, etc. Or to replace the front drivetrain on AWD models. Or both.

What Porsche is not going to introduce is a 911-shaped Prius, despite what most here seem be afraid of.