Tsobocop

This - China’s purchase power drives much of the decision making

Pivot

CN have less onerous emission controls and therefore production of ICE vehicles will continue. This also gives Porsche good air cover to sweat the assets for export to the developing markets and produce lower volume ICE’s for EU and US markets.

Tsobocop

this is what I meant to quote (my bad).

China may have less onerous emissions laws, but they do have a large tax “25% on engines larger than 3.0L” which makes it suspect in my opinion that they would increase displacement across the board - it would potentially alienate a large portion of prospective buyers in their largest single market. Granted 911’s may only account for a small portion of those sales.

malba2366

If don't think Hybrids are subject to those displacement based taxes in China (or the EU)

malba2366

Then there is this....sure sounds like a turbo to me.


https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...gring-testing/

Schn3ll

Turbo's are here to stay. It would not make sense to go NA (even with hybridization) when turbos provide more efficient power. It would be a step backwards.

I predict the 3.0L turbo stays with some engine massaging - different turbos, different intake/intercooler/exhaust routing, maybe some engine internal changes AND the possible addition of hybridization on Carrera S and above to create a larger horsepower/torque delta between the base / S / GTS models.

Pivot

I think that the base could be uplifted to round 400 PS. The S can stay at 450PS. And GTS can go hybrid 400+100PS

However, EC07 will once again strangle/choke the motors, so we might see more hybridisation.

4carl

there’s an old saying, manufactures, sell, horsepower, and people buy torque.
I sold my 992 Carrera S when the Gt3 came in now I ordered a 992 GTS because I missed the torque .
I’m keeping the Gt3 it’s very exciting car in its power range unfortunately that’s above 6K.
i’m going for the best of both worlds high rpm horsepower=GT3
Low rpm off the line torque=992GTS

john6l6

I suspect that once they hit their 20% margin goal they will increase production to appease shareholders for continued growth.

nyca

The 718 EV is important to them because they have to see if they can develop a new sales demographic for an EV sports car. Younger buyers for sure, whether there is an enthusiast buyers segment there for them to tap into, we shall see. From what I see of gen Y/X, there isn't - they really aren't that interested in cars except for transportation.

Schn3ll

Based on the recent sales (or lack thereof) for Taycan, in conjunction with the cratering second-hand values, I would suspect that Porsche is getting nervous about the 718 EV - I would be. It's uncharted waters in a segment that has very little excitement (by nature) and the drive is stale and boring - sure you can put some fake sounds and nonsense to add "drama" but my local dealership (keep in mind I'm in the southeast) has very few people even talking about interest in a 718 EV. The local SA's are having a really hard time moving Taycan as well. The local dealership selling Jaguar is dropping the brand completely because of their full move to EV and complete lack of interest by local buyers.

I sold my nicely specced Taycan 6 months ago, it sat for 3 months, then went to a luxury used car dealer where it has remained - and currently being sold for less than they gave me for my trade-in. Owning a luxury EV is like catching a falling knife. Probably the car I have liked the least of all 20 or so I've owned.

malba2366

The problem currently is the weight of the vehicle...everyone knows EVs can be very fast, but a 718 close to 4000 lbs will be a tough sell. Porsche will not be able to solve this until solid state batteries become available.

Pivot

I am going to steal that line… it so true:

john6l6

Gen Z definitely has zero interest. They want self driving cars. They would get more enjoyment of sitting there on their phones than having to physically drive a car.

adrianp89

Porsche announcement this afternoon...