Lots of info on 992.2 and future in CAR magazine
05-26-2023 | 05:31 PM
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I don't know what to believe anymore. That 3.6 engine has got to weigh more than the 3.0, and with the platform going hybrid, weight is the main thing to battle so how does adding a heavier motor help them with that?
I do believe the 718 EV will tank quickly after some initial "gotta have it" customers move through the acquisition process. The reason is simple - what makes the 718 a unique car, the mid engine setup and chassis dynamics of such, that all goes away when the car is basically the same battery sled/electric motor setup as every other EV. That's not to say it will be a "bad" car, it will be fine, but the things that define what the 718 was are gone once it goes EV - it will have to attract a different buyer segment.
I do believe the 718 EV will tank quickly after some initial "gotta have it" customers move through the acquisition process. The reason is simple - what makes the 718 a unique car, the mid engine setup and chassis dynamics of such, that all goes away when the car is basically the same battery sled/electric motor setup as every other EV. That's not to say it will be a "bad" car, it will be fine, but the things that define what the 718 was are gone once it goes EV - it will have to attract a different buyer segment.
You are probably right. Right now not too many EV’s available in drop top. So initially agree, as it will be a rare bird.
05-26-2023 | 06:32 PM
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57,000 911 models is still a tiny amount vs C8 Corvette, 101,572 in 2023, 600,000 Camry, 1.8 million Tesla, 3447 Ferraris for perspective.
Sports cars now account for 1.5% of the total US car market with just over 221,000 deliveries, of which 73.1% were one of the four American muscle cars Mustang, Challenger, Camaro and Corvette, up from 71.5%.
Sports cars now account for 1.5% of the total US car market with just over 221,000 deliveries, of which 73.1% were one of the four American muscle cars Mustang, Challenger, Camaro and Corvette, up from 71.5%.
101,572 is the total C8 production for 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 combined.
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05-26-2023 | 06:58 PM
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i had a polestar for a few days. Car was fantastic to drive, absolutely rock solid too. Felt like it had a 0% chance of ever developing any rattles. Infotainment was a bit clunky but generally I found it to be fantastic. 40-70mph happens faster than you'd believe for something in that price range. Freeway onramps were entertaining.
05-26-2023 | 07:07 PM
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05-26-2023 | 07:16 PM
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The point is that they all feel the same - because they all basically have the same chassis dynamics. Battery sled along the bottom, electric motors, overweight. Sure the 718 EV may be fine - but what's stopping Toyota or Hyundai or Tesla from building a basically identical sports car (from a chassis/drive perspective) at a much lower price? Nothing. The uniqueness is gone, all you are paying for is the brand name now.
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05-26-2023 | 10:48 PM
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05-26-2023 | 10:56 PM
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Well, as long as they are willing to accept that they are losing customers. Few except the faithful would wait 1+ year for an allocation. If they don't produce more cars, they are losing customers to other brands. OK sure, they are still selling every car they make right now, but they still losing customers. Most of the pricing power right now gets put in the dealers pockets, not in Porsche's.
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05-27-2023 | 05:08 AM
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At this stage, this article is still a speculation, with interesting, but not confirmed information.
What I take from it is that 992.2 is coming sooner than the dealers are willing to admit.
Power output and other specs is ChatGPT level of hallucinations
What I take from it is that 992.2 is coming sooner than the dealers are willing to admit.
Power output and other specs is ChatGPT level of hallucinations
05-27-2023 | 05:58 AM
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The point is that they all feel the same - because they all basically have the same chassis dynamics. Battery sled along the bottom, electric motors, overweight. Sure the 718 EV may be fine - but what's stopping Toyota or Hyundai or Tesla from building a basically identical sports car (from a chassis/drive perspective) at a much lower price? Nothing. The uniqueness is gone, all you are paying for is the brand name now.
05-27-2023 | 08:27 AM
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not pass the original proposed Euro7 rules. The Euro 7 rules were later relaxed so the turbos will pass. Who knows if Porsche was well into development of the naturally aspirated/hybrid power trains to turn back. While many may hate hybrids, that naturally aspirated 3.6 will sound much better than the current turbos.
05-27-2023 | 05:12 PM
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Torque is what makes a car fun to drive.
Casual observers and guys who memorize car magazine stats and know little more never seem to get this fact.
They need to take a C7 Z06 with 650 lb ft of torque off idle for a spin.
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05-27-2023 | 05:42 PM
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I don’t live in Germany, or anyplace else, where i can take it to 195 mph on the streets and not fear going to joil…so top end really means nothing to me in my daily driving. But instant, off the line torque I can use ever day, driving cars like the 992 or the P2, that are wickedly fast off the line. Notjhing but ultra smooth acceleration, that pushes you back in the seats.
For me, anyway, it’s very addicting. I find myself just wanted to go out for a ride just to get that rush….
As an aside, I am tempted to see how quick the 992 is, when not engaging “launch control”? Just mash on the accelerator and go….old school.
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05-27-2023 | 06:13 PM
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I don’t live in Germany, or anyplace else, where i can take it to 195 mph on the streets and not fear going to joil…so top end really means nothing to me in my daily driving. But instant, off the line torque I can use ever day, driving cars like the 992 or the P2, that are wickedly fast off the line. Notjhing but ultra smooth acceleration, that pushes you back in the seats.
For me, anyway, it’s very addicting. I find myself just wanted to go out for a ride just to get that rush….
As an aside, I am tempted to see how quick the 992 is, when not engaging “launch control”? Just mash on the accelerator and go….old school.
For me, anyway, it’s very addicting. I find myself just wanted to go out for a ride just to get that rush….
As an aside, I am tempted to see how quick the 992 is, when not engaging “launch control”? Just mash on the accelerator and go….old school.
Never have cared much for launch control especially on my '22 Macan GTS. I find a little brake boost works well on most vehicles. Sitting still with the gas to the floor just doesn't sit well with me. I guess I'm to old for this heavily mediated stuff.
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