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Old 06-30-2023, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaye Bass
Wildfires trends in Canada are flat over the period between 1980 and 2019. Wildfires have no correlation with increases with CO2 concentrations. Same for droughts, hurricanes, etc.
No, they’re not. But even if they were flat, that’s only a part of the entire scientific picture.

But I see you are a denialist. Flat Earther? Excellent. Regardless of what your mind can process, the scientific evidence is overwhelming.

Nevertheless, without a link to the source of this graph, it might as well have come from Faux Fake “News”.

Apologies to Rennlisters, in deflecting from the topic of the thread, but I never turn down an opportunity to disprove a falsehoods…so here we go…and sorry about the length, but without proof, from multiple sources, deniers try to find some excuse to continue denying:


Analysis | Why Canada’s wildfires are extreme and getting worse, in 4 charts

Statistics describing the fires continue to show how extreme they really are. And they’re part of a trend toward larger fires and more damaging fire seasons.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weath...on-statistics/

“Statistics on the fires — which help place their scope in historical context — continue to show how extreme they are. And they’re part of a trend toward larger, fiercer fires and more-damaging fire seasons. The fires have burned the most land on record so early in the season — more than 4.7 million hectares (11.6 million acres). And already, even though the fire season is just underway, more area has burned than in all but three entire fire seasons since modern records began in 1983. The fire season’s rapid start can be traced to an outbreak of lightning-triggered blazes in May mostly in central and western Canada. They spread with breakneck speed because of unrelenting heat and parched ground.

Then Nova Scotia saw its biggest fire on record, and along came the blazes in Quebec, which were also mainly triggered by lightning. Residents of the eastern United States felt their smoky effects firsthand. Several other key statistics drive home how unusual this fire season has been and how it fits into a concerning trend toward larger Canadian fires.

The chart above, which shows the amount of carbon released into the atmosphere by the fires this year, demonstrates just how far ahead this season’s activity is compared with recent history. It’s quite consistent with the fact that 4.7 million hectares have burned compared with the June 11 average of about 310,000 hectares, according to the Canadian Interagency Forest Fire Center. The area burned is already more than double the annual average of 2.1 million hectares. On average, only 15 percent of the seasonal total is usually burned by now. Although fire is common in May in parts of Canada, the majority of burning historically comes in July, August and September in most years. The only three seasons that had more hectares burned in total than this year so far are: 1994 (5.3 million hectares), 1989 (5.9 million hectares) and 1995 (7.1 million hectares). If this season continued to burn land at is current pace, while improbable, the year-end total would be about 32 million hectares, or 4.5 times more than the current record holder. The land area burned so far has exceeded 5,000% of normal in some provinces

On social media, some have tried to dismiss this year’s fire activity by pointing to a trend toward fewer fires in Canada. There is indeed a downward trend. Over the past 20 years, there have been more than 2,000 fewer fires per year in Canada compared with the first 20 years in the modern record. Although Canada’s wildfire-fighting abilities lag those in the United States, the decrease observed is probably an indicator of improved prevention. But while the number of fires is decreasing, the average size of any given fire has substantially increased. From 1982 to 1993, Canada’s median wildfire size was 112 hectares. From 2013 to 2022, it was 509 hectares. This year so far, it’s about 1,900 hectares. Angrier wildfires are expected in a warming world, especially in the northern latitudes, where warming is happening fastest. Larger fires are hotter and thus more intense, allowing for rapid increase in size, which sends more smoke higher into the atmosphere and farther downwind.

This increase fits in with recent trends toward rising temperatures in Canada. According to Environment Canada, average temperatures have risen in every season.



Don’t trust the WP’s information, then here’s the BBC on the topic:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...says%20Hoffman.


“But can we link a specific wildfire, or spate of wildfires, with climate change directly?

Historical datasets and complex statistical models have made it possible for researchers to show the impact of rising greenhouse gas emissions on heatwaves around the world, for example, by making them more likely or severe.
Kira Hoffman, a researcher specialising in fire ecology at the University of British Columbia and the Bulkley Valley Research Centre, stresses that fire is a natural and common part of the ecosystem in western Canada, which is drier and more prone to lightning strikes.On the other hand, British Columbia's fire season was so bad in 2017 that it broke its own records for the area of land burned. A study later found that climate change had a "profound influence", greatly increasing the chance of underlying extreme warm and dry conditions and increasing the area burned by a factor of seven to 11.

This year's fire season is unique in not being isolated to a particular province, says Carly Phillips, a research scientist at the Union of Concerned Scientists in the US. What links the provinces is hotter than usual temperatures for this time of year and a prolonged period of drought, both of which raise wildfire risk and are getting worse in some places due to climate change.

"Canada has incredibly diverse ecosystems," says Hoffman. "And what we're seeing is drought in the prairies, in the mountainous ecosystems, in the Maritimes [provinces]. So places that maybe wouldn't have as much fire activity on a normal year, like Nova Scotia and Halifax, are now seeing many more ignitions."
Look at the studies that were linked int the article:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....9/2018EF001050

Abstract

A record 1.2 million ha burned in British Columbia, Canada's extreme wildfire season of 2017. Key factors in this unprecedented event were the extreme warm and dry conditions that prevailed at the time, which are also reflected in extreme fire weather and behavior metrics. Using an event attribution method and a large ensemble of regional climate model simulations, we show that the risk factors affecting the event, and the area burned itself, were made substantially greater by anthropogenic climate change. We show over 95% of the probability for the observed maximum temperature anomalies is due to anthropogenic factors, that the event's high fire weather/behavior metrics were made 2–4 times more likely, and that anthropogenic climate change increased the area burned by a factor of 7–11. This profound influence of climate change on forest fire extremes in British Columbia, which is likely reflected in other regions and expected to intensify in the future, will require increasing attention in forest management, public health, and infrastructure.”

Another study -

https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.1139/cjfr-2018-0293

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Originally Posted by 22992
I would describe woke as the following:

1. Willing to sacrifice the individual freedoms of those who do not share your beliefs…..
You mean like many Evangelical Christian’s who hate Muslims, Jews or gays? How about white supremists and other bigots who hate blacks, Jews, and anyone else not like them?


2. Those who engage in over analysis to justify beliefs that defy common sense.
Sounds like lawyers and judges, who espouse the rule of law, even when those laws defy, or have no basis in common sense?

3. Those who spout the need to treat classes of people differently than other classes of people, as opposed to treating every individual equally
Are you saying we all have the same American experience? I can pretty much guarantee your experience was nothing like mine.


4. those who would like to define “winners” and “losers” based on these arbitrary classes or groups
Sounds like my football coach. Starters and bench warmers. Winners and losers. Tough coach.

5. Those who define “right” and push those beliefs on others at all costs, even if that means others lose their freedom of speech or religion etc.
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You mean like religious zealots, or right to lifers? How about the Supreme Court judges that are telling woman they have only limited rights to their own body? I guess old white men know what’s best for women?

Wow, I had no idea. 🤔 Thx.😱

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Old 07-01-2023, 03:20 AM
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The Tesla forum has many real world topics on battery lifetime and replacement.

As expected usage and conditions affect lifetime. Things like cycles, depth of cycle and operational temperature are factors that affect the battery lifetime.

Here is one on a 2014 Model S, now needing it's 3rd ~$20K battery pack.
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Ooof this went off the rails - If I wanted pseudo-intellectualist adults espousing feelings as facts conflated with confirmation bias, I would consume legacy entertainment "news". I remember when I was still naïve enough to think that one brand of news was "correct" and wasn't biased/slanted. The scripts may be different, but come from the same hand (i.e. blackrock, big pharma, etc.).

Back on topic, here's a new article with a consolidation of all the rumors. Really curious about the hybrid impact on weight: https://www.topspeed.com/porsche-911...e-know-so-far/
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Originally Posted by CodyBigdog
You mean like many Evangelical Christian’s who hate Muslims, Jews or gays? How about white supremists and other bigots who hate blacks, Jews, and anyone else not like them?




Sounds like lawyers and judges, who espouse the rule of law, even when those laws defy, or have no basis in common sense?



Are you saying we all have the same American experience? I can pretty much guarantee your experience was nothing like mine.




Sounds like my football coach. Starters and bench warmers. Winners and losers. Tough coach.



You mean like religious zealots, or right to lifers? How about the Supreme Court judges that are telling woman they have only limited rights to their own body? I guess old white men know what’s best for women?

Wow, I had no idea. 🤔 Thx.😱
Well, now you know! Not sure your responses reflect what I was trying to communicate, but such is life when typing away. Context and detail is lost.
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This thread seems to have gotten into the weeds.
And weeds are flammable in more ways than one.
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Originally Posted by Denny Swift
Maybe I’m alone in this, but increased power is pointless and absolutely the last thing that would entice me to buy a new Porsche. The current cars have more than enough. If there were news that the 6-speed from the GT3 or 718 was going to be available in the T, now that would get my attention…

Actually, news of lower weight, less power, a 6-speed, and a more basic interior with physical buttons would get my attention (and pigs may fly). The Boxster saved Porsche and allowed the 911 to get fatter and more refined (less visceral); with the sunsetting of the Boxster/Cayman line, Porsche has a new hole to fill, and more power in the 911 isn’t the answer.

Solution:

912

A 4 that sounds good, turbo or sc.
300-350hp.
Very light overall, very.
Hydraulic steering, passive shocks only, close ratio 6 speed wiht 150mph max speed, maybe 155.
Really nice looks - vintage materials, pull tabs, folding buckets, ducktail.
Light wheels that are easy to clean with 5 bolts. Light tires. Think cheaper and more affordable sizes....lots of options for track day use too....easy to get consumables!
Folding buckets or even better, try to make the rear hatch go up...so sort of like a targa for luggage usability. Not in carbon but perhaps just good/safe fiberglass painted black. Simple, cheap.

7 colors. White. Black. Blue. Red. Yellow. Green Silver.
One interior (fabric inserts option only...plaid, etc.). Hertitage type of thing - simple, super durable.
Black belts.
Black gauges only.
3 gauges like a 718...but you can see them.
Light glass, doors, etc.
One wheel type only..silver, easy to clean (think Fuchs-ish).
Same wheel hub, rotors, pads as say the 997 or 991 or 992..whatever is picked something genertic, cheap, and supported by the aftermarket.

One price. No options except color of the paint. Think Porsche 911 sort of old school/intro car....GR86. RWD only. Make a TON of them and make them not exclusive. Creat a mass of new owners/users. Do it asap. And make them all very tolerant of future fuels from 87 to e85 too other stuff so that we can use them as new future synthetic fuel comes out....

Mke this a car for normal people to aspire to.


65k USD. Make a ton of them. Done. Porsche, if you do this, PM me as you owe me one please. I'll take white.


JB

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Originally Posted by 22992
Well, now you know! Not sure your responses reflect what I was trying to communicate, but such is life when typing away. Context and detail is lost.

Fair enough…and beside, I doubt most Renlisters want to hear this stuff.
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Originally Posted by jcb-memphis
Solution:

912 ...

65k USD. Make a ton of them. Done. Porsche, if you do this, PM me as you owe me one please. I'll take white.
MANY really nice used old vehicles that are in excellent condition that would fit those requirements.
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Originally Posted by Tompoodie
This thread seems to have gotten into the weeds.
And weeds are flammable in more ways than one.

No offense, but show me a Rennlist thread, with this many posts, that stayed on topic. Never happens.

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Originally Posted by jcb-memphis
Solution:

912

A 4 that sounds good, turbo or sc.
300-350hp.
Very light overall, very.
Hydraulic steering, passive shocks only, close ratio 6 speed wiht 150mph max speed, maybe 155.
Really nice looks - vintage materials, pull tabs, folding buckets, ducktail.
Light wheels that are easy to clean with 5 bolts. Light tires. Think cheaper and more affordable sizes....lots of options for track day use too....easy to get consumables!
Folding buckets or even better, try to make the rear hatch go up...so sort of like a targa for luggage usability. Not in carbon but perhaps just good/safe fiberglass painted black. Simple, cheap.

7 colors. White. Black. Blue. Red. Yellow. Green Silver.
One interior (fabric inserts option only...plaid, etc.). Hertitage type of thing - simple, super durable.
Black belts.
Black gauges only.
3 gauges like a 718...but you can see them.
Light glass, doors, etc.
One wheel type only..silver, easy to clean (think Fuchs-ish).
Same wheel hub, rotors, pads as say the 997 or 991 or 992..whatever is picked something genertic, cheap, and supported by the aftermarket.

One price. No options except color of the paint. Think Porsche 911 sort of old school/intro car....GR86. RWD only. Make a TON of them and make them not exclusive. Creat a mass of new owners/users. Do it asap. And make them all very tolerant of future fuels from 87 to e85 too other stuff so that we can use them as new future synthetic fuel comes out....

Mke this a car for normal people to aspire to.


65k USD. Make a ton of them. Done. Porsche, if you do this, PM me as you owe me one please. I'll take white.


JB
Thanks first of all for getting us out of the weeds!
This is a capital idea. The 912 has always been my favorite of the aircooled 911s.
I have a 992 base with 300 miles and counting...optioned for low weight, similar ethos.
The handling of a 992 based 912 would be fabulous. Could be ECU tuned to taste.
My favorite quote by Walter Rohrl is that road cars don't need more than 300hp.
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Originally Posted by tna3
... The 992.2 maybe available starting February next year. GT2 will get 750 hp hybrid.
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Originally Posted by CodyBigdog
No offense, but show me a Rennlist thread, with this many posts, that stayed on topic. Never happens.
Sorry, but as-shown the OP brought up the 911 becoming a hybrid, so the "weeds" were part of the on-topic discussion.
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Originally Posted by wingless
Sorry, but as-shown the OP brought up the 911 becoming a hybrid, so the "weeds" were part of the on-topic discussion.
…and there ya have it. One person’s “weeds” are another persons thread topic.
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I was not referring to hybrid/911 but to potentially polarizing political lightning rod topics and words.

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Originally Posted by Schn3ll
Ooof this went off the rails - If I wanted pseudo-intellectualist adults espousing feelings as facts conflated with confirmation bias, I would consume legacy entertainment "news". I remember when I was still naïve enough to think that one brand of news was "correct" and wasn't biased/slanted. The scripts may be different, but come from the same hand (i.e. blackrock, big pharma, etc.).

Back on topic, here's a new article with a consolidation of all the rumors. Really curious about the hybrid impact on weight: https://www.topspeed.com/porsche-911...e-know-so-far/
Does anyone else think this topspeed article was written by AI? Nothing new in it and really strange wording throughout the piece.
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