Porsche finance & lease rates 2023
#196
Credit unions around here are doing 5.49% up to 48 mos. One is even doing 3.99% but only for 24 mos. I wasn't going to finance (half of mine is already paid through an early trade-in) but at that rate I can keep my cash working at 5.35% and just deal with a payment for a couple of years.
#197
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Pentagon Federal pre approved me at 6.19% for 48 months, 7.19% for 72 months up to $150k.
#198
Drifting
Make sure you have a refi plan for later in the term when rates are less. Some credit unions for example, will not refi their own loans. So if you take a loan at 7% now, and in two years the rate is 5%, you can't refi it through the same lender. You have to be prepared to refi with a second lender.
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Vernin (12-20-2023)
#199
Credit unions around here are doing 5.49% up to 48 mos. One is even doing 3.99% but only for 24 mos. I wasn't going to finance (half of mine is already paid through an early trade-in) but at that rate I can keep my cash working at 5.35% and just deal with a payment for a couple of years.
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Freddie Two Bs (12-19-2023)
#200
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#202
I ran some preliminary analysis and am finding that the savings are not as straight forward to borrow & invest vs. paying cash. Thoughts?
Assumptions on the loan:
Assumptions for investments:
Assumptions on the loan:
- MSRP of car at $158K
- Financed 100%, 0% down
- Rate 5.39%, Dec 2023 floor rate LCFCU
- Term 5 years
- <!--td {border: 1px solid #cccccc;}br {mso-data-placement:same-cell;}-->Interest in year 1 $7,823.97
- Interest in year 2 $6,260.58
- Interest in year 3 $4,610.82
- Interest in year 4 $2,869.91
- Interest in year 5 $1,032.80
Assumptions for investments:
- 12 month CD ladder with staggered investments every year reduced by $36K ($3K * 12 months)
- CD rate of 5.61% APY right now, reducing by 1% by end of 2024 (see fed notes from today) and reducing further 1% by end of 2025
- For CD assumes 37% federal and 11.3% CA state income tax
- FTABX dividend yield of 3%, does not account for returns when selling FTABX
- FTABX includes paying 11.3% CA state income tax
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chicagomarketing (12-19-2023)
#203
Residuals and Lease Rates
Am I missing something, or is this just a cash grab by the dealer?
CPO 36 Mo Lease - 2020 C4S 9K miles
$136K
54% Residual (seems like excessive depreciation from year 3 to 6)
.0045 Money Factor (10.8% interest)
CPO 36 Mo Lease - 2020 C4S 9K miles
$136K
54% Residual (seems like excessive depreciation from year 3 to 6)
.0045 Money Factor (10.8% interest)
Last edited by MagnumGourmet; 12-19-2023 at 05:55 PM.
#204
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I have never seen a used car closed-end lease I thought was a good deal (at least on cars a mortal like I can afford). Using your figures that is about $2,700 a month for a car that will be out of warranty. No thanks.
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Vernin (12-20-2023)
#205
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Porsche leases for new cars are usually terrible and leasing a used one is even more terrible
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Freddie Two Bs (12-30-2023)
#206
Race Car
Do not lease it, it’s horrible for you. Just buy and sell when you’re done with it.
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July 714th 2023 when I got my loan for 120k I had a rate of 5.85
I will need to refinance as soon as rates go down to under 3
This is with USAA, and Tier 1 credit.
I will need to refinance as soon as rates go down to under 3
This is with USAA, and Tier 1 credit.
Last edited by Vernin; 12-20-2023 at 02:33 PM.
#208
Burning Brakes
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