ADMs dropping
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hahah I guess not everyone gets how soft you can use "criminal" but yes it is in fact not illegal to over charge lol
Track Day
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Good evening gents!
Reporting in - I secured a C2S allocation on 3/27, and did so at MSRP, no ADM. I had been on waiting lists since I started calling around in February.
I was told that I got into the system just days before the 2024 price increase. Now, when I build my car on the configurator it is about $10k higher than what I'll be paying with 2023 MSRP pricing. I have over $33k in options.
My vehicle status is "V200" with an estimated delivery date of 6/16/23.
- I paid nothing to get on the waiting lists
- I paid a $5k deposit in person at the dealership to secure the allocation - the SA wouldn't print a copy for me, but he turned his computer screen and showed me the timelime with the dates for factory assembly and shipping - it was cool to see
Reporting in - I secured a C2S allocation on 3/27, and did so at MSRP, no ADM. I had been on waiting lists since I started calling around in February.
I was told that I got into the system just days before the 2024 price increase. Now, when I build my car on the configurator it is about $10k higher than what I'll be paying with 2023 MSRP pricing. I have over $33k in options.
My vehicle status is "V200" with an estimated delivery date of 6/16/23.
- I paid nothing to get on the waiting lists
- I paid a $5k deposit in person at the dealership to secure the allocation - the SA wouldn't print a copy for me, but he turned his computer screen and showed me the timelime with the dates for factory assembly and shipping - it was cool to see
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Color me green (apparently a color Porsche doesn't like any longer). I've been rejected by one dealer for no trade and am on two wait lists -- one who wants "market pricing" and I'm still decently down the list, and another who will only sell at sticker and claims I'm 5 years down the list.
Burning Brakes
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From: Southern California
Good evening gents!
Reporting in - I secured a C2S allocation on 3/27, and did so at MSRP, no ADM. I had been on waiting lists since I started calling around in February.
I was told that I got into the system just days before the 2024 price increase. Now, when I build my car on the configurator it is about $10k higher than what I'll be paying with 2023 MSRP pricing. I have over $33k in options.
My vehicle status is "V200" with an estimated delivery date of 6/16/23.
- I paid nothing to get on the waiting lists
- I paid a $5k deposit in person at the dealership to secure the allocation - the SA wouldn't print a copy for me, but he turned his computer screen and showed me the timelime with the dates for factory assembly and shipping - it was cool to see
Reporting in - I secured a C2S allocation on 3/27, and did so at MSRP, no ADM. I had been on waiting lists since I started calling around in February.
I was told that I got into the system just days before the 2024 price increase. Now, when I build my car on the configurator it is about $10k higher than what I'll be paying with 2023 MSRP pricing. I have over $33k in options.
My vehicle status is "V200" with an estimated delivery date of 6/16/23.
- I paid nothing to get on the waiting lists
- I paid a $5k deposit in person at the dealership to secure the allocation - the SA wouldn't print a copy for me, but he turned his computer screen and showed me the timelime with the dates for factory assembly and shipping - it was cool to see
If youre at V200, the order should be linked to your account and you should be able to see all of the dates on your end too on TYD.
Track Day
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Color me green (apparently a color Porsche doesn't like any longer). I've been rejected by one dealer for no trade and am on two wait lists -- one who wants "market pricing" and I'm still decently down the list, and another who will only sell at sticker and claims I'm 5 years down the list.
Burning Brakes
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From: Southern California
It seems like the west coast dealers are still going strong with their ADMs but some of the dealers in other parts of the country are doing MSRP.
When I was exploring SoCal market a couple weeks ago (before the 2024 pricing), this is what I figured out from about a dozen dealers with current allocation or short waiting list:
S - $20k to 25k
Targa GTS - $25k
GTS - $15k to $30k
Turbo - $30k
1 offered a new pre-configured S with $10k ADM
1 dealer had over a year-long waiting list!
When I was exploring SoCal market a couple weeks ago (before the 2024 pricing), this is what I figured out from about a dozen dealers with current allocation or short waiting list:
S - $20k to 25k
Targa GTS - $25k
GTS - $15k to $30k
Turbo - $30k
1 offered a new pre-configured S with $10k ADM
1 dealer had over a year-long waiting list!
Track Day
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It seems like the west coast dealers are still going strong with their ADMs but some of the dealers in other parts of the country are doing MSRP.
When I was exploring SoCal market a couple weeks ago (before the 2024 pricing), this is what I figured out from about a dozen dealers with current allocation or short waiting list:
S - $20k to 25k
Targa GTS - $25k
GTS - $15k to $30k
Turbo - $30k
1 offered a new pre-configured S with $10k ADM
1 dealer had over a year-long waiting list!
When I was exploring SoCal market a couple weeks ago (before the 2024 pricing), this is what I figured out from about a dozen dealers with current allocation or short waiting list:
S - $20k to 25k
Targa GTS - $25k
GTS - $15k to $30k
Turbo - $30k
1 offered a new pre-configured S with $10k ADM
1 dealer had over a year-long waiting list!
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Eureka, I found the Commission number on the papers SA had emailed me and it linked successfully! Thanks for the tip! I see it now on the map of Europe at stage 01/11.
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I told my SA that I was pleasantly surprised to get the call. He said that there were a few people ahead of me on the list, but that one had already gotten some other car, and then a couple of guys didn't reply and that he gave up on them after a few business days and moved on to me. It makes me wonder if recession fears have spooked some of them and they dropped off.
Drifting
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There was discussion on that here before and I forgot the conclusion - if you place demand orders at 5 dealers, and use the same Pcode, does PCNA deny all but the first one? Or if the buyer just spins up 5 unique Pcodes, one for each dealer, what happens to the 4 demand orders that vanish if their order finally fills at one of the dealers?
Three Wheelin'
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There was discussion on that here before and I forgot the conclusion - if you place demand orders at 5 dealers, and use the same Pcode, does PCNA deny all but the first one? Or if the buyer just spins up 5 unique Pcodes, one for each dealer, what happens to the 4 demand orders that vanish if their order finally fills at one of the dealers?
Drifting
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OK, but how can you gauge real demand when people are placing demand orders at 3/4/5 dealers - I imagine no one calls back to "cancel" their demand orders when they actually get an allocation at a dealer, so the books are filled with phantom demand orders. That's why when I hear "the waiting list is knee deep", it doesn't reflect reality. I think this allocation strategy is contributing to ADMs, dealers have a false perception of how many people really want cars when everybody has orders at multiple dealers. Maybe they use this ordering model on purpose to support dealers with ADMs.
Pro
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From: Rhode Island
OK, but how can you gauge real demand when people are placing demand orders at 3/4/5 dealers - I imagine no one calls back to "cancel" their demand orders when they actually get an allocation at a dealer, so the books are filled with phantom demand orders. That's why when I hear "the waiting list is knee deep", it doesn't reflect reality. I think this allocation strategy is contributing to ADMs, dealers have a false perception of how many people really want cars when everybody has orders at multiple dealers. Maybe they use this ordering model on purpose to support dealers with ADMs.
IDK - just what I was told
Three Wheelin'
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OK, but how can you gauge real demand when people are placing demand orders at 3/4/5 dealers - I imagine no one calls back to "cancel" their demand orders when they actually get an allocation at a dealer, so the books are filled with phantom demand orders. That's why when I hear "the waiting list is knee deep", it doesn't reflect reality. I think this allocation strategy is contributing to ADMs, dealers have a false perception of how many people really want cars when everybody has orders at multiple dealers. Maybe they use this ordering model on purpose to support dealers with ADMs.
Not sure this system is a strategy on Porsches part because the dont gain anything from ADMs and they would rather be able to fill all the demand, but the factory is running at full capacity. Also, they current situation is unprecedented outside of the GT cars.
Last edited by malba2366; Apr 4, 2023 at 12:22 PM.