View Poll Results: Would you wait for 992.2 or get 992.1?
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992.1 vs 992.2
11-27-2022, 05:24 AM
#61
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Well, I’m getting a manual…and I’m not a great driver…so my 0-60 time will be trash.
Snails will launch themselves off the line faster than me.
Old people will walk up and ask if I want a push.
And I’ll accept.
Anyway, 992.1 vs 992.2, I’m getting whatever I’m offered. If it’s a .1 allocation, I take that. If my allocation is delayed, then I take a .2. I just turned in my builds last week, so we’ll see what happens.
Snails will launch themselves off the line faster than me.
Old people will walk up and ask if I want a push.
And I’ll accept.
Anyway, 992.1 vs 992.2, I’m getting whatever I’m offered. If it’s a .1 allocation, I take that. If my allocation is delayed, then I take a .2. I just turned in my builds last week, so we’ll see what happens.
11-27-2022, 10:11 AM
#62
This is actually the opposite of virtually all 911 road tests, reviews and youtube drag races I've seen. 911s launch ridiculously hard off the line due to launch control and the heavy rear engine weight bias which creates massive amts of rear traction so they rip off the line and then are sometimes reeled back in because they generally are underpowered compared to their competitors. Look at the G80 M3 road test vs. base Carrera. Base Carrera destroys the M3 off the line then the M3 pulls it back. Carrera S OTOH have more power, hence the video above of the Carrera S B-slapping the Corvette. 992 S pulls hard on the vette off the line and at the higher end b/c tests have shown the 992 S traps at a noticeably higher speed in the 1/4 mi vs. the vette (125 mph Carrera S vs. 122 mph vette).
The GTS with it's mere 473 hp is even more ridiculously quick off the line with a 2.8 0-60 and 1/4 mi at 10.9 @ 128 mph. Mind you, this is the rear wheel drive GTS, not even the 4S. I imagine the 4 GTS would probably drop that 0-60 by another .2 seconds since a standard Carrera 4S already does a 2.8 sec 0-60. That's seriously moving for an under 500 hp car and will annhilate any standard Corvette:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
Honestly though 0-60 in these cars are quite meaningless. You previously mentioned Shelby Mustangs and Hellcats as cars with "blistering" 0-60 times. That's really not the case. Those cars are very slow off the line considering their 700-800+ hp because they are front engine RWD and have no traction at all. That's why they will both get destroyed off the line and through the 1/4 mile by a lowly Carrera S with a mere 443 hp. Car and Driver tested a Hellcat at 3.7 0-60 and 1/4 mi in 11.8 @ 125 mph. Hardly "blistering" times. Similarly a GT500 ran 3.4 sec 0-60 and 11.3 1/4 mi at 132 mph. I will grant you that 132 mph trap speed in the 1/4 mi is fast. But again, with zero traction off the line, that 760 hp Mustang is destroyed by the lowly 443 hp Carrera S.
Bottomline is 911s accelerate very well at all speeds and are even quicker off the line than most cars.
The GTS with it's mere 473 hp is even more ridiculously quick off the line with a 2.8 0-60 and 1/4 mi at 10.9 @ 128 mph. Mind you, this is the rear wheel drive GTS, not even the 4S. I imagine the 4 GTS would probably drop that 0-60 by another .2 seconds since a standard Carrera 4S already does a 2.8 sec 0-60. That's seriously moving for an under 500 hp car and will annhilate any standard Corvette:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
Honestly though 0-60 in these cars are quite meaningless. You previously mentioned Shelby Mustangs and Hellcats as cars with "blistering" 0-60 times. That's really not the case. Those cars are very slow off the line considering their 700-800+ hp because they are front engine RWD and have no traction at all. That's why they will both get destroyed off the line and through the 1/4 mile by a lowly Carrera S with a mere 443 hp. Car and Driver tested a Hellcat at 3.7 0-60 and 1/4 mi in 11.8 @ 125 mph. Hardly "blistering" times. Similarly a GT500 ran 3.4 sec 0-60 and 11.3 1/4 mi at 132 mph. I will grant you that 132 mph trap speed in the 1/4 mi is fast. But again, with zero traction off the line, that 760 hp Mustang is destroyed by the lowly 443 hp Carrera S.
Bottomline is 911s accelerate very well at all speeds and are even quicker off the line than most cars.
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11-27-2022, 12:23 PM
#63
Well, I’m getting a manual…and I’m not a great driver…so my 0-60 time will be trash.
Snails will launch themselves off the line faster than me.
Old people will walk up and ask if I want a push.
And I’ll accept.
Anyway, 992.1 vs 992.2, I’m getting whatever I’m offered. If it’s a .1 allocation, I take that. If my allocation is delayed, then I take a .2. I just turned in my builds last week, so we’ll see what happens.
Snails will launch themselves off the line faster than me.
Old people will walk up and ask if I want a push.
And I’ll accept.
Anyway, 992.1 vs 992.2, I’m getting whatever I’m offered. If it’s a .1 allocation, I take that. If my allocation is delayed, then I take a .2. I just turned in my builds last week, so we’ll see what happens.
I will say, though, that I feel faster all around with manual than PDK. I just don't like shifting a PDK and tend to leave it in auto. With a manual I'm always in the right gear and PDK logic is not telepathic and can only go so far to anticipate a downshift. Plus with having to rev match and the physicality of the whole thing - it just seems more dramatic than the seamless and perfect PDK (or auto blip manual to an extent).
Don't want to side track this into a PDK vs manual thing, but (to me) how fast the car feels matters more than how fast it actually is. My little air-cooled car is probably slower than a Camry but it feels surprisingly quick when I back to back against my GT3. It's all an illusion, but who cares?
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11-27-2022, 12:54 PM
#64
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A competent driver will kill me six ways from Sunday regardless.
I did PEC ATL once. I know my limits.
I nailed parking between the lines at the end though. That car was so between the lines. Man. But I’ll stop. I don’t like bragging.
I did PEC ATL once. I know my limits.
I nailed parking between the lines at the end though. That car was so between the lines. Man. But I’ll stop. I don’t like bragging.
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11-27-2022, 01:35 PM
#65
With a manual I'm always in the right gear and PDK logic is not telepathic and can only go so far to anticipate a downshift. Plus with having to rev match and the physicality of the whole thing - it just seems more dramatic than the seamless and perfect PDK (or auto blip manual to an extent).
11-27-2022, 07:17 PM
#66
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This is actually the opposite of virtually all 911 road tests, reviews and youtube drag races I've seen. 911s launch ridiculously hard off the line due to launch control and the heavy rear engine weight bias which creates massive amts of rear traction so they rip off the line and then are sometimes reeled back in because they generally are underpowered compared to their competitors. Look at the G80 M3 road test vs. base Carrera. Base Carrera destroys the M3 off the line then the M3 pulls it back. Carrera S OTOH have more power, hence the video above of the Carrera S B-slapping the Corvette. 992 S pulls hard on the vette off the line and at the higher end b/c tests have shown the 992 S traps at a noticeably higher speed in the 1/4 mi vs. the vette (125 mph Carrera S vs. 122 mph vette).
The GTS with it's mere 473 hp is even more ridiculously quick off the line with a 2.8 0-60 and 1/4 mi at 10.9 @ 128 mph. Mind you, this is the rear wheel drive GTS, not even the 4S. I imagine the 4 GTS would probably drop that 0-60 by another .2 seconds since a standard Carrera 4S already does a 2.8 sec 0-60. That's seriously moving for an under 500 hp car and will annhilate any standard Corvette:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
Honestly though 0-60 in these cars are quite meaningless. You previously mentioned Shelby Mustangs and Hellcats as cars with "blistering" 0-60 times. That's really not the case. Those cars are very slow off the line considering their 700-800+ hp because they are front engine RWD and have no traction at all. That's why they will both get destroyed off the line and through the 1/4 mile by a lowly Carrera S with a mere 443 hp. Car and Driver tested a Hellcat at 3.7 0-60 and 1/4 mi in 11.8 @ 125 mph. Hardly "blistering" times. Similarly a GT500 ran 3.4 sec 0-60 and 11.3 1/4 mi at 132 mph. I will grant you that 132 mph trap speed in the 1/4 mi is fast. But again, with zero traction off the line, that 760 hp Mustang is destroyed by the lowly 443 hp Carrera S.
Bottomline is 911s accelerate very well at all speeds and are even quicker off the line than most cars.
The GTS with it's mere 473 hp is even more ridiculously quick off the line with a 2.8 0-60 and 1/4 mi at 10.9 @ 128 mph. Mind you, this is the rear wheel drive GTS, not even the 4S. I imagine the 4 GTS would probably drop that 0-60 by another .2 seconds since a standard Carrera 4S already does a 2.8 sec 0-60. That's seriously moving for an under 500 hp car and will annhilate any standard Corvette:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
Honestly though 0-60 in these cars are quite meaningless. You previously mentioned Shelby Mustangs and Hellcats as cars with "blistering" 0-60 times. That's really not the case. Those cars are very slow off the line considering their 700-800+ hp because they are front engine RWD and have no traction at all. That's why they will both get destroyed off the line and through the 1/4 mile by a lowly Carrera S with a mere 443 hp. Car and Driver tested a Hellcat at 3.7 0-60 and 1/4 mi in 11.8 @ 125 mph. Hardly "blistering" times. Similarly a GT500 ran 3.4 sec 0-60 and 11.3 1/4 mi at 132 mph. I will grant you that 132 mph trap speed in the 1/4 mi is fast. But again, with zero traction off the line, that 760 hp Mustang is destroyed by the lowly 443 hp Carrera S.
Bottomline is 911s accelerate very well at all speeds and are even quicker off the line than most cars.
I’ll give GM that though, they recognized this and moved the C8 to this platform so they could increase performance etc.
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11-27-2022, 10:34 PM
#67
Burning Brakes
Agreed, as you know I traded in a ZL1 for my C4S. It has an often repeated 0-60 time of 3.5 with the 10 speed auto. I’m not a huge launch control guy but I try it for fun/novelty a couple of times a year. Unless you are on a newly paved clean road or a prepped surface and some other things, that 3.5 time is nearly impossible to get. I don’t think I ever broke 4, maybe. It’s pretty much the same for all of the muscle cars. Before I put the PA5s on the C4S I tried LC in about 45 degree weather. The thing took of like a bat out of hell and to the butt accelerometer it felt like mid to low 3s. As they say it is repeatable to. That’s the difference between Porsche and most everything else, the engineering allows it to be so good at everything and it is repeatable compared to the other brands etc. I’ve owned crotch rockets and naked sport bikes that are yes faster, but the C4S launch still felt blistering to me. I can’t imagine a Turbo or Tesla Plaid, especially trying to stop a Tesla after a couple of runs…………
I’ll give GM that though, they recognized this and moved the C8 to this platform so they could increase performance etc.
I’ll give GM that though, they recognized this and moved the C8 to this platform so they could increase performance etc.
That ZL1 seems to have a bad showing, I have the M-Engineering tune and was just a little quicker than my brother in law in his ZL1. Not sure how far they went though, we started at 65ish and went... well, I shouldn't say where we cut it, but I will say I was quite a bit ahead. Looks like the ZL1 in the video is gaining, and my brother in law was never gaining on me.
Last edited by zachr; 11-28-2022 at 09:04 AM.
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11-28-2022, 12:23 AM
#68
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Supposedly a C2S will also out-roll a ZL1: (5m57s)
https://youtu.be/30J0z0XkHYc&t=5m57s
That ZL1 seems to have a bad showing, I have the M-Engineering tune and was just a little quicker than his. Not sure how far they went though, we started at 65ish and went... well, I shouldn't say where we cut it, but I will say I was quite a bit ahead. Looks like the ZL1 in the video is gaining.
https://youtu.be/30J0z0XkHYc&t=5m57s
That ZL1 seems to have a bad showing, I have the M-Engineering tune and was just a little quicker than his. Not sure how far they went though, we started at 65ish and went... well, I shouldn't say where we cut it, but I will say I was quite a bit ahead. Looks like the ZL1 in the video is gaining.
Last edited by minn19; 11-28-2022 at 12:27 AM.
11-28-2022, 01:32 AM
#69
Supposedly a C2S will also out-roll a ZL1: (5m57s)
https://youtu.be/30J0z0XkHYc&t=5m57s
That ZL1 seems to have a bad showing, I have the M-Engineering tune and was just a little quicker than his. Not sure how far they went though, we started at 65ish and went... well, I shouldn't say where we cut it, but I will say I was quite a bit ahead. Looks like the ZL1 in the video is gaining.
https://youtu.be/30J0z0XkHYc&t=5m57s
That ZL1 seems to have a bad showing, I have the M-Engineering tune and was just a little quicker than his. Not sure how far they went though, we started at 65ish and went... well, I shouldn't say where we cut it, but I will say I was quite a bit ahead. Looks like the ZL1 in the video is gaining.
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11-28-2022, 10:12 AM
#70
Burning Brakes
12-02-2022, 03:29 AM
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Burning Brakes
12-02-2022, 07:43 AM
#73
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ZL1's at The Glen (gotta click the tiny pic for it to load)
Last edited by Scott P; 12-02-2022 at 07:44 AM.
12-02-2022, 08:19 AM
#74
Somehow I dont believe 911 will go fully hybrid for .2 (except GT3). but for next generation (994?) maybe, I am bit conservative for 992.2, maybe just some models but not al ... I think we can look at looks a AMG, their C63s, they are also pushed to hybrid due to regulation and most probably to impress their fan base anyhow even downgrading from V8 to R4 they had to throw all in in power to stay with their heads up and so 63s change to R4+hybrid but from 510hp to 680hp ... I can image something similar to happen with Turbo (S) first, for 992.2 something like 800-900hp hybrid Turbo S, I am sure there will be buyer for this.
12-02-2022, 09:59 AM
#75
Somehow I dont believe 911 will go fully hybrid for .2 (except GT3). but for next generation (994?) maybe, I am bit conservative for 992.2, maybe just some models but not al ... I think we can look at looks a AMG, their C63s, they are also pushed to hybrid due to regulation and most probably to impress their fan base anyhow even downgrading from V8 to R4 they had to throw all in in power to stay with their heads up and so 63s change to R4+hybrid but from 510hp to 680hp ... I can image something similar to happen with Turbo (S) first, for 992.2 something like 800-900hp hybrid Turbo S, I am sure there will be buyer for this.
As far as the Corvettes go, I was on the freeway a few weeks ago and a Vette pulled up next to me revving his engine wanting to play. I think it was a C7 but it was dark so I couldn't tell for sure. Anyway, he got left behind to put it mildly, even though his car sounded like it made good power. I always have a water bottle or two laying down in the passenger seat. If I do a launch, the water bottles literally stand up. The car is that fast...and why I can't imagine owning the 911 Turbo S, regardless of my desire to do so. I'd probably end up in jail with that car.
My plan all along was to get a 911. It happened sooner than I anticipated and because I'm perfectly happy with the 992.1 as it is, and didn't want to run the risk of waiting indefinitely for an allocation and take the risk of only some sort of hybrid being available, I jumped on it and pick it up in just over a week. I can't wait. Why I got the Panamera first is another long story. Sorry for rambling.