View Poll Results: Would you wait for 992.2 or get 992.1?
Get the .1 while you can
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992.1 vs 992.2
11-26-2022, 12:08 AM
#31
11-26-2022, 12:21 AM
#32
Get the .1 if there is a allocation. When you take the .2, you are getting closer to the end of 992 generation. There will also be a big price jump. Hybrid powerchain is not result of demand. It is a result of regulation.
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11-26-2022, 01:42 AM
#33
Every time Porsche makes changes to the 911, people on here are get worked up, but every time the car ends up being better. The 992.2 will be better than the 992.1....if they add hybridization (unlikely to be across the lineup), it will be done to boost performance....they are not going to turn it into a Prius.
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11-26-2022, 08:16 AM
#34
Racer
1) Any 'driving nannies' that can't be de-optioned.
2) An auto-shutoff engine that can't be permanently disabled or de-optioned.
3) Any weight increase from hybrid/battery systems.
4) Lack of a manual transmission.
I'm looking for a relatively pure track day car, and the direction they have been going with more and more non-driver control and unhelpful, distracting electronics is moving away from the goal.
2) An auto-shutoff engine that can't be permanently disabled or de-optioned.
3) Any weight increase from hybrid/battery systems.
4) Lack of a manual transmission.
I'm looking for a relatively pure track day car, and the direction they have been going with more and more non-driver control and unhelpful, distracting electronics is moving away from the goal.
11-26-2022, 08:30 AM
#35
Every time Porsche makes changes to the 911, people on here are get worked up, but every time the car ends up being better. The 992.2 will be better than the 992.1....if they add hybridization (unlikely to be across the lineup), it will be done to boost performance....they are not going to turn it into a Prius.
It will also be heavier. Is that what the car needs?
Undoubtedly, Porsche will come out with some faster ‘Ring time and the objective performance metrics will be better. Some people will probably like it better.
It will sound worse and it will be heavier and that would do it for me. I might be set with what I have, regardless.
11-26-2022, 08:50 AM
#36
What I have seen is that ill-conceived regulations are forcing manuals out across the board. I tried to buy a Hellcat with a manual last year....they dropped it from the offer, citing a lack of ability to meet the regulations. It's gone from the C8, the Mustang Cobra, etc. I'm hopeful that Porsche finds a way to keep it coming, but I have zero trust in governments to understand how to properly address the challenge of atmospheric greenhouse gasses, rather than knee-jerking to force us all to drive Teslas.
Finsally: If it's a hybrid, will they keep a manual transmission option? Several years ago, Porsche publicly said that they would never build a hybrid with a manual gearbox:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ual-gearboxes/
Last edited by FullThrottle64; 11-26-2022 at 09:01 AM.
11-26-2022, 08:59 AM
#37
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Last edited by FullThrottle64; 11-26-2022 at 09:00 AM.
11-26-2022, 09:56 AM
#38
I haven't read that specifically. The question I was responding to was "what would make you not buy the 992.2", and as you said, loss of the manual option would be a deal breaker.
What I have seen is that ill-conceived regulations are forcing manuals out across the board. I tried to buy a Hellcat with a manual last year....they dropped it from the offer, citing a lack of ability to meet the regulations. It's gone from the C8, the Mustang Cobra, etc. I'm hopeful that Porsche finds a way to keep it coming, but I have zero trust in governments to understand how to properly address the challenge of atmospheric greenhouse gasses, rather than knee-jerking to force us all to drive Teslas.
Finsally: If it's a hybrid, will they keep a manual transmission option? Several years ago, Porsche publicly said that they would never build a hybrid with a manual gearbox:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ual-gearboxes/
That depends. 100 lbs heavier and .5 sec faster 0-60? SIGN ME UP! 400 lbs heavier and 0.1 sec faster 0-60? Not interested.
What I have seen is that ill-conceived regulations are forcing manuals out across the board. I tried to buy a Hellcat with a manual last year....they dropped it from the offer, citing a lack of ability to meet the regulations. It's gone from the C8, the Mustang Cobra, etc. I'm hopeful that Porsche finds a way to keep it coming, but I have zero trust in governments to understand how to properly address the challenge of atmospheric greenhouse gasses, rather than knee-jerking to force us all to drive Teslas.
Finsally: If it's a hybrid, will they keep a manual transmission option? Several years ago, Porsche publicly said that they would never build a hybrid with a manual gearbox:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ual-gearboxes/
That depends. 100 lbs heavier and .5 sec faster 0-60? SIGN ME UP! 400 lbs heavier and 0.1 sec faster 0-60? Not interested.
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11-26-2022, 10:07 AM
#40
Right. The point being that a 911 is far more about focused handling than pure acceleration. Who would want to add weight and give up handling and braking capacity for a nearly undetectable increase in linear acceleration?
11-26-2022, 10:24 AM
#41
Rennlist Member
Every time Porsche makes changes to the 911, people on here are get worked up, but every time the car ends up being better. The 992.2 will be better than the 992.1....if they add hybridization (unlikely to be across the lineup), it will be done to boost performance....they are not going to turn it into a Prius.
Last edited by minn19; 11-26-2022 at 11:30 AM.
11-26-2022, 11:23 AM
#42
Totally agree about the loss of handling etc. with a significant increase in weight.
You think half a second reduction in 0-60 time when you are already around 3 seconds would be "undetectable"? Quite the contrary, .5 second reduction in 0-60 at that already blistering pace would be profound.
You think half a second reduction in 0-60 time when you are already around 3 seconds would be "undetectable"? Quite the contrary, .5 second reduction in 0-60 at that already blistering pace would be profound.
The F1 system uses a 50-lb (25 kg) battery, and adds a max of 160 hp. Add to that the weight of the motor itself and the braking regen system, and you're talking about (probably) ~150-200 lbs for a streetable version, but that extra isn't going to add mind-blowing levels of acceleration, and it is partially reduced by the added weight.
I would guess that reality would be more like a 0.2 second improvement. Is that a good trade-off? It depends on what you want in a sports car. For me, I would take the lightest possible option every single time, as I don't want the handling to suffer...others may see it differently.
I would also say that 3.5s (C2S with PDK) isn't exactly "blistering" 0-60. If that's what you want in a car, a Shelby Mustang is faster, and the Hellcat is roughly the same; a C8 'Vette is under 3 seconds at half the price.
What the 911 excels at is handling - the overall drive quality - and keeping the weight low is part of that equation.
Last edited by FullThrottle64; 11-26-2022 at 11:57 AM.
11-26-2022, 11:30 AM
#43
Burning Brakes
The F1 system uses a 50-lb (25 kg) battery, and adds a max of 80 hp for about 6 seconds per lap. Add to that the weight of the motor itself and the braking regen system, and you're talking about (probably) ~150-200 lbs, but 80 hp isn't going to add mind-blowing levels of acceleration, and it is partially reduced by the added weight
you should really be informed when you're talking **** on the internet.
Last edited by zachr; 11-26-2022 at 11:33 AM.
11-26-2022, 11:34 AM
#44
Rennlist Member
F1 system is double that additional power and for more like 30 seconds per lap. Laps are at full tilt constantly, so in a normal car it would probably do much better. And the entire hybrid system is 57kg, battery included: https://twitter.com/sportmphmark/sta...91047578808320
you should really be informed when you're talking **** on the internet.
you should really be informed when you're talking **** on the internet.
11-26-2022, 11:56 AM
#45
F1 system is double that additional power and for more like 30 seconds per lap. Laps are at full tilt constantly, so in a normal car it would probably do much better. And the entire hybrid system is 57kg, battery included. (I guess I can't link to a tweet here for some godforsaken reason)
you should really be informed when you're talking **** on the internet.
you should really be informed when you're talking **** on the internet.