zachr

I'll give you the weight difference, yeah. Realistically 150lbs is likely. The good news is that a C2S weighs almost 200lbs more than a GT3, so there's plenty of weight to be removed for the .2 facelift to counterbalance the added weight of the hybrid system.

Porsche knows what they're doing and I have no doubt that, while less "pure", the 992.2 will be an objectively better car. Subjectively, people will prefer the .1 just like people preferred the 997, or the 993.

kayjh

I think the 911has evolved into a more comfortable tourer with each iteration. I'm OK with that. The improvement from 991.1 to .2 in terms of interior noise and ride comfort was significant. The 992 improved upon that. Although getting larger and heavier, the 911 is still a great driving car and for those who want a "track car" or "true sports car" there are many models available for that purpose (GT3).

In the end, I think we just have to ask "What does the China market want in the next iteration"? I believe that is what drives the direction of the next 911. There is a reason why the 911 base car has the engine displacement it does.

SamD

If timeframes were not a concern, wouldn't most people get the .2? Recall many thought the 991.1 was superior, last of the NAs, etc. So newer not always better . . .

minn19

I don’t think anyone is arguing the .2 won’t be superior performance wise. It obviously will be, but superior enough to get people to trade for them when they like certain things about the .1s.? I think it comes down to preferences and availability, not outright performance when choosing. Most who don’t have 992 by now and want to custom build a new one may be pushed into a .2 for allocation reasons etc.

FullThrottle64

The Porsche website says 3.5 sec for the C2S. 2.9 is wishful thinking - not a chance it can do that without modifications.

And no, it's not "blistering". Anyone who has ever ridden a reasonably sized performance motorcycle has gone faster 0-60 (ex. Yamaha R1 @ 2.64), and the Tesla Model X is just over 2.3 [https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-mode...-stock-video/].

Don't get me wrong - the C2S is my favorite car of any I've ever owned. As an all-around package it's the best on the market, IMO. It's not the fastest 0-60, though, as it's built for overall performance on real roads, not a dragstrip.

jhenson29

C&D said 3.0?
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

rk-d

C&D uses a 1ft roll-out. Their times are always short relative to manufacturer times.

zachr

All publications I can think of use the 1-ft rollout. It's pretty standard, because on a drag strip there's roughly a foot before the timing light is triggered. You can generally get the 1-ft rollout inclusive time by adding ~0.2 to the 0-60 time.

The 2.36s time for the Model X quoted above likely also excludes the 1-ft rollout time since it was measured on a drag strip, so that time is comparable to C&D's 3.0 for the C2S

rk-d

Yes most do. Manufacturers do not, as far as I’m aware.

jhenson29

Tesla does for their Plaid, but not other trims... 😜

FullThrottle64

You know nothing about me, my background, nor my experience with cars both from an engineering and driving standpoint. This is abundantly clear from your personal attack post.

rokkerkory

Just thankful I can get a .1 T in april so whatevers 😬

FullThrottle64

0.7 is more than I would believe, but 0.4 or so wouldn't surprise me at all. MT says 0.5 sec (link below), and quotes the same 2.8 that you did. That seems like a lot for a 50 hp advantage, but gearing plays a really big role in where your acceleration is on the curve. What I have observed with the 911 is that it's not that great coming off the line, but is geared to do very well in the more usable situation of coming out of a corner between 30-50 mph. In short, I would expect the 'Vette to be faster from 0-60, but I would expect the 911 to be faster from 35-80 - a situation like coming out of T5 at Road America going up the hill to T6.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...arison-review/

0-60 times are for spec sheets and internet bragging rights. Stable acceleration out of a corner creates fast lap times. For that, I'll take the C2S every single time, regardless of the 0-60 spec.

22992

I’m just going to leave this here

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=avVNWWBnQek

AlterZgo

This is actually the opposite of virtually all 911 road tests, reviews and youtube drag races I've seen. 911s launch ridiculously hard off the line due to launch control and the heavy rear engine weight bias which creates massive amts of rear traction so they rip off the line and then are sometimes reeled back in because they generally are underpowered compared to their competitors. Look at the G80 M3 road test vs. base Carrera. Base Carrera destroys the M3 off the line then the M3 pulls it back. Carrera S OTOH have more power, hence the video above of the Carrera S B-slapping the Corvette. 992 S pulls hard on the vette off the line and at the higher end b/c tests have shown the 992 S traps at a noticeably higher speed in the 1/4 mi vs. the vette (125 mph Carrera S vs. 122 mph vette).

The GTS with it's mere 473 hp is even more ridiculously quick off the line with a 2.8 0-60 and 1/4 mi at 10.9 @ 128 mph. Mind you, this is the rear wheel drive GTS, not even the 4S. I imagine the 4 GTS would probably drop that 0-60 by another .2 seconds since a standard Carrera 4S already does a 2.8 sec 0-60. That's seriously moving for an under 500 hp car and will annhilate any standard Corvette:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Honestly though 0-60 in these cars are quite meaningless. You previously mentioned Shelby Mustangs and Hellcats as cars with "blistering" 0-60 times. That's really not the case. Those cars are very slow off the line considering their 700-800+ hp because they are front engine RWD and have no traction at all. That's why they will both get destroyed off the line and through the 1/4 mile by a lowly Carrera S with a mere 443 hp. Car and Driver tested a Hellcat at 3.7 0-60 and 1/4 mi in 11.8 @ 125 mph. Hardly "blistering" times. Similarly a GT500 ran 3.4 sec 0-60 and 11.3 1/4 mi at 132 mph. I will grant you that 132 mph trap speed in the 1/4 mi is fast. But again, with zero traction off the line, that 760 hp Mustang is destroyed by the lowly 443 hp Carrera S.

Bottomline is 911s accelerate very well at all speeds and are even quicker off the line than most cars.