Share your manual shifting PDK experience
#46
Love some of the thoughtful responses. I consider my self a purist. In fact i had never (age 50) owned an automatic until my Jeep SRT.
I bought a 992 GTS in the spring with MT. After years of learning to heel tow (still poorly on the track) I never thought I would demean myself to use autoblip. And I really wanted to have the MT experience and learning on the track.
CONFESSION TIME: I think Autoblip is awesome. Why fight the technology? Its fun. You drive like a hero. Yes you forget how to rev match really fast...but so what the autoblip keeps the car balanced when you are driving hard and let's you build other, arguably more relevant skills around entry and exit. Its super fun around town too. HOWEVER, I drove a PDK a few times back to back on the track and to my surprise was 100% SOLD on PDK for the track. You have less bracing in the seat without a harness, you can set up for your turns better. everything about it is faster. Yet you still have the engagement of shifting the gears. Just not with your left foot. This personal experience was unexpected but I loved the PDK for the everything other than the shifting driving experience.
I bought a 992 GTS in the spring with MT. After years of learning to heel tow (still poorly on the track) I never thought I would demean myself to use autoblip. And I really wanted to have the MT experience and learning on the track.
CONFESSION TIME: I think Autoblip is awesome. Why fight the technology? Its fun. You drive like a hero. Yes you forget how to rev match really fast...but so what the autoblip keeps the car balanced when you are driving hard and let's you build other, arguably more relevant skills around entry and exit. Its super fun around town too. HOWEVER, I drove a PDK a few times back to back on the track and to my surprise was 100% SOLD on PDK for the track. You have less bracing in the seat without a harness, you can set up for your turns better. everything about it is faster. Yet you still have the engagement of shifting the gears. Just not with your left foot. This personal experience was unexpected but I loved the PDK for the everything other than the shifting driving experience.
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Orca911 (10-20-2022)
#47
Have posted this in the 991 forums but will recap.
I have owned Porsches since 1970. All were 5 or 6 speed manuals until my 2015 C2S. I hated that 7 speed manual. Too many gears, poor ratios with 3 overdrive gears. Clunky shifting at best. Traded it after 2 years for a 2017 C2S with X51 PowerKit, and PDK.
Love PDK! Always drive in Sport+ after warmup, and always shift it in Manual mode with my fingers. After 2 years moved up to a gorgeous Unicorn 991.2 Turbo with $46k in options. Love it.
The only time I switch to PDK Auto mode is when going to hit it hard from a stop or very slow speed. It hits redline so fast in 1st gear that is difficult to manually shift to 2nd at the right rpm.
No more manuals for me unless I could get the 911 of my choice with close ratio 6 speed. Not going to happen except for GT cars, and at 77 they are too harsh and spartan for me. I need options not available on GT cars. I'm spoiled now.
PDK is a manual transmission with dual liquid-cooled concentric clutches that shift virtually instantly with your fingertips. And those liquid cooled clutches can't overheat like the 3 pedal cars. No clutch replacements should ever be necessary with PDK.
I have owned Porsches since 1970. All were 5 or 6 speed manuals until my 2015 C2S. I hated that 7 speed manual. Too many gears, poor ratios with 3 overdrive gears. Clunky shifting at best. Traded it after 2 years for a 2017 C2S with X51 PowerKit, and PDK.
Love PDK! Always drive in Sport+ after warmup, and always shift it in Manual mode with my fingers. After 2 years moved up to a gorgeous Unicorn 991.2 Turbo with $46k in options. Love it.
The only time I switch to PDK Auto mode is when going to hit it hard from a stop or very slow speed. It hits redline so fast in 1st gear that is difficult to manually shift to 2nd at the right rpm.
No more manuals for me unless I could get the 911 of my choice with close ratio 6 speed. Not going to happen except for GT cars, and at 77 they are too harsh and spartan for me. I need options not available on GT cars. I'm spoiled now.
PDK is a manual transmission with dual liquid-cooled concentric clutches that shift virtually instantly with your fingertips. And those liquid cooled clutches can't overheat like the 3 pedal cars. No clutch replacements should ever be necessary with PDK.
Last edited by Fullyield; 10-06-2022 at 08:50 AM.
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To those curious about the Manual mode with our PDK2 tune, we decrease the paddle to shift delay by about 40%. It is very direct and as instantaneous as a GT car. It makes manual mode quite a bit more engaging. We do this on both the Carrera and Turbo models of the 992.
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#49
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This thread is starting to feel like the M96 IMS (intermediate shaft) bearing discussion: a very real but extremely small percentage of failures that is being amplified by the internet echo chamber. Can we please keep this enjoyable discussion focused on the original concern of MT vs PDK engagement / experience?
#50
To those curious about the Manual mode with our PDK2 tune, we decrease the paddle to shift delay by about 40%. It is very direct and as instantaneous as a GT car. It makes manual mode quite a bit more engaging. We do this on both the Carrera and Turbo models of the 992.
-Charles@M
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dixonk (10-06-2022)
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One more disadvantage of the 3 pedal 7 speed manual that I forget to mention is the "money shift“. With that cluncky shifting 3 pedal 7 speed, it is easier to make a mistake downshifting and get the lower gear that results in over-revs on your engine. That can be expensive, either causing engine problems or making it harder to sell or trade it later at a fair market price.
There is no chance of over-revs with the 2 pedal manual PDK.
Oh, another bonus with the PDK - it is substantially faster accelerating. That's another big PLUS, IMO.
There is no chance of over-revs with the 2 pedal manual PDK.
Oh, another bonus with the PDK - it is substantially faster accelerating. That's another big PLUS, IMO.
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One more disadvantage of the 3 pedal 7 speed manual that I forget to mention is the "money shift“. With that cluncky shifting 3 pedal 7 speed, it is easier to make a mistake downshifting and get the lower gear that results in over-revs on your engine. That can be expensive, either causing engine problems or making it harder to sell or trade it later at a fair market price.
There is no chance of over-revs with the 2 pedal manual PDK.
Oh, another bonus with the PDK - it is substantially faster accelerating. That's another big PLUS, IMO.
There is no chance of over-revs with the 2 pedal manual PDK.
Oh, another bonus with the PDK - it is substantially faster accelerating. That's another big PLUS, IMO.
The PDK is certainly much faster, and it’s far easier to feel like a hero driving it versus the manual.
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One more disadvantage of the 3 pedal 7 speed manual that I forget to mention is the "money shift“. With that cluncky shifting 3 pedal 7 speed, it is easier to make a mistake downshifting and get the lower gear that results in over-revs on your engine. That can be expensive, either causing engine problems or making it harder to sell or trade it later at a fair market price.
There is no chance of over-revs with the 2 pedal manual PDK.
Oh, another bonus with the PDK - it is substantially faster accelerating. That's another big PLUS, IMO.
There is no chance of over-revs with the 2 pedal manual PDK.
Oh, another bonus with the PDK - it is substantially faster accelerating. That's another big PLUS, IMO.
As far as clunkiness goes, the 992 is vastly better than the 991’s especially 991.1. From the factory it’s still not quite on the same level as the 997 6-speed but the shift and gate definition is much tighter and less vague than the 991, which was I agree pretty average.
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One more disadvantage of the 3 pedal 7 speed manual that I forget to mention is the "money shift“. With that cluncky shifting 3 pedal 7 speed, it is easier to make a mistake downshifting and get the lower gear that results in over-revs on your engine. That can be expensive, either causing engine problems or making it harder to sell or trade it later at a fair market price.
There is no chance of over-revs with the 2 pedal manual PDK.
Oh, another bonus with the PDK - it is substantially faster accelerating. That's another big PLUS, IMO.
There is no chance of over-revs with the 2 pedal manual PDK.
Oh, another bonus with the PDK - it is substantially faster accelerating. That's another big PLUS, IMO.
Money shifts can happen on any MT gearbox, not just the Porsche 7MT in the 911.
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Fullyield (10-07-2022)
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This thread is starting to feel like the M96 IMS (intermediate shaft) bearing discussion: a very real but extremely small percentage of failures that is being amplified by the internet echo chamber. Can we please keep this enjoyable discussion focused on the original concern of MT vs PDK engagement / experience?
I have owned four PDKs and they all have been excellent, reliable and engaging, to me. No complaints. But, I accept the fact that a few of them do have failures which can be catastrophic if outside of a warranty. It is just a known low risk that must be managed like any other. Denying or ignoring that low risk helps no one. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not to their own facts. Research it.
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I think Stephen stills said , " Love the one your With " I will go with that .....I wish I had both !!!
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Fullyield (10-07-2022)
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In fast, turbocharged cars, I like PDK. I bang off the rev limiter in my 1-2 even with manual PDK sometimes because the car is so quick.
In older or new quick but not too fast cars, preferably NA, I prefer Manual. I would love to add a 718 GTS with 6MT.
In older or new quick but not too fast cars, preferably NA, I prefer Manual. I would love to add a 718 GTS with 6MT.
#59
I have driven manuals for over 35 years - many 5 and 6 speed manuals. My 992's 7 speed does cause me to occasionally miss the gear I'm trying to grab. It's not prevalent but it does happen from time to time. Plus I do have to sometimes look to see what gear I'm by glancing at the dash or the shifter. This is something I never did driving a 6 speed. There was never any doubt what gear I was in becuse the shift lever is either centered (means you're in 3rd or 4th) or pushed to the left (1st or 2nd) or right (5th or 6th gear). That added double push to the right for 7th gear makes it a bit less intuitive to know what gear you're in just by feeling the position of the shifter. The smoothess of the flat 6 engine also masks the feel for what gear I'm in. Sometimes I'll just be crusing in 6th on the fwy not realizing that I didn't upshift to 7th b/c the engine is so smooth.
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I have owned four PDKs and they all have been excellent, reliable and engaging, to me. No complaints. But, I accept the fact that a few of them do have failures which can be catastrophic if outside of a warranty. It is just a known low risk that must be managed like any other. Denying or ignoring that low risk helps no one. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not to their own facts. Research it.
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