AlterZgo

I agree with you. Want a track weapon? PDK all the way. That gear box is excellent and telepathic in figuring out what you want to do with the car. But, want ultimate driving pleasure? Manual all the way. And yeah I’ve loved the auto rev matching since I experienced it 7 yrs ago in my manual M3. But I now find myself turning traction control off fully every single time I drive my 992 as manual rev matching the old school way is just really fun and a skill that I’m continuing to hone and work at. It’s just yet another dimension to the manual driving experience. Though if I want to hustle the car faster on some curvy back roads, I turn traction control back on for the auto rev matching and to keep some safety nannies in place.

Fullyield

I loved my four PDKs too. While you will likely never replace the clutches in a PDK with a factory engine, you do run a low risk of replacing the PDK transmission for a ZF distance sensor failure or removing the transmission and disassembling it to install a new T Design aftermarket PDK distance sensor at a cost that can rival an engine replacement if not on warranty. The technical weakness in the PDK are the electronics inside the gearbox, not the clutches or the gears. Ask RL member “Sandwedge” who has replaced two PDK transmissions because of ZF distance sensor failures. See post 19 above and the sticky titled “Repairing the PDK Transmission “ by PV 997. Overheating dry clutches in a MT is a caused by driver error, not mechanical defect,……unlike the factory PDK distance sensor which fails at a low incident rate but bricks your PDK when it does.

M Engineering

To those curious about the Manual mode with our PDK2 tune, we decrease the paddle to shift delay by about 40%. It is very direct and as instantaneous as a GT car. It makes manual mode quite a bit more engaging. We do this on both the Carrera and Turbo models of the 992.

-Charles@M

jlegelis

This thread is starting to feel like the M96 IMS (intermediate shaft) bearing discussion: a very real but extremely small percentage of failures that is being amplified by the internet echo chamber. Can we please keep this enjoyable discussion focused on the original concern of MT vs PDK engagement / experience?

lemonorlime

Please make this available via OBD2, I'll be your first customer! I already got M-Tuner Stage 1 from you and I'm extremely pleased with the results, however I'm halfway across the world and I dd my car so I can't have any downtime.

PCA1983

One more disadvantage of the 3 pedal 7 speed manual that I forget to mention is the "money shift“. With that cluncky shifting 3 pedal 7 speed, it is easier to make a mistake downshifting and get the lower gear that results in over-revs on your engine. That can be expensive, either causing engine problems or making it harder to sell or trade it later at a fair market price.
There is no chance of over-revs with the 2 pedal manual PDK.
Oh, another bonus with the PDK - it is substantially faster accelerating. That's another big PLUS, IMO.

rouxeny

I think for most of us, who will rarely, if ever, drive the car at absolute full send, the likelihood of a money shift is low.

The PDK is certainly much faster, and it’s far easier to feel like a hero driving it versus the manual.

aggie57

that’s been a ‘feature’ of manual transmissions forever. It’s not unique to the Porsche 7-speed.

As far as clunkiness goes, the 992 is vastly better than the 991’s especially 991.1. From the factory it’s still not quite on the same level as the 997 6-speed but the shift and gate definition is much tighter and less vague than the 991, which was I agree pretty average.

ipse dixit

Can you explain how it is easier?

Money shifts can happen on any MT gearbox, not just the Porsche 7MT in the 911.

Fullyield

Well, I guess you have missed the two different RL members who have recently posted in this same 992 forum in the past three weeks concerning their separate PDK issues. Both of them just received brand new 992’s. With less than 1,000 miles driven, both cars are now sitting at the dealership for 60 - 90 days because they cannot be driven. They both have PDK electronic issues and their cars are in limp mode (or worse) and parked until fixed. Yes, they will be fixed under warranty but both members complain that they are now waiting 60-90 days for PDK parts from Germany. I am sorry you wish to deny it, but those members are not currently “engaged” with their PDKs. When deciding whether to order a PDK or MT, the OP should be fully informed of the true facts to make a wise and intelligent decision. The problem is the internet echo chamber calling the PDK “bulletproof” considering the historical facts.

I have owned four PDKs and they all have been excellent, reliable and engaging, to me. No complaints. But, I accept the fact that a few of them do have failures which can be catastrophic if outside of a warranty. It is just a known low risk that must be managed like any other. Denying or ignoring that low risk helps no one. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not to their own facts. Research it.

Fullyield

+1 Money shifts caused by driver error, not mechanical defect.

robert310

I think Stephen stills said , " Love the one your With " I will go with that .....I wish I had both !!!

Master Deep

In fast, turbocharged cars, I like PDK. I bang off the rev limiter in my 1-2 even with manual PDK sometimes because the car is so quick.

In older or new quick but not too fast cars, preferably NA, I prefer Manual. I would love to add a 718 GTS with 6MT.

AlterZgo

I can see how it would be easier to money shift a 7 speed manual than a 6 speed manual. The 7 speed has five vertical gates but still self centers on the 3rd/4th gear vertical gate when you pull the shifter out of gear and let it self center. So I can see if a person is in 7th grear and is trying to downshift to 6th, they could accidentally grab 4th gear. It's unlikely to blow up the engine as nobody sane would be close to redlining 7th gear on regular roads so accidentally shifting from 7th to 4th won't cause a money shift in most situations but would definitely over-rev the motor more than one would like.

I have driven manuals for over 35 years - many 5 and 6 speed manuals. My 992's 7 speed does cause me to occasionally miss the gear I'm trying to grab. It's not prevalent but it does happen from time to time. Plus I do have to sometimes look to see what gear I'm by glancing at the dash or the shifter. This is something I never did driving a 6 speed. There was never any doubt what gear I was in becuse the shift lever is either centered (means you're in 3rd or 4th) or pushed to the left (1st or 2nd) or right (5th or 6th gear). That added double push to the right for 7th gear makes it a bit less intuitive to know what gear you're in just by feeling the position of the shifter. The smoothess of the flat 6 engine also masks the feel for what gear I'm in. Sometimes I'll just be crusing in 6th on the fwy not realizing that I didn't upshift to 7th b/c the engine is so smooth.

jlegelis

Wow, peace brother. Not denying anything - just hoping to keep the convo on track which was veering off course as do many similar threads ("I know a guy..."). Perhaps someone wants to start a 992 PDK Failure thread to collect the separate discussions?