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Old 09-23-2022, 09:20 PM
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Nick Murray has done more for the community than any of us combined. Not aware of anyone going over every single option available on the 992 and he is very clear when he points out his opinion.

To the OP, Nick’s exact comment was
“ It’s an interesting time because they are expecting more 911 and more allocations for Q1 and Q2 next year but for the 911 models of course we have the 992.2 being released in April so a lot of people now they’ve been waiting for 911 holding off and waiting for that to be released because of course it will have some new transmissions and fix that awful PCM, new styling, new options, and probably new engines.”

bur let’s be real here, my favorite thing about Nick Murray is how much he gets under people’s skin here.

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Old 09-23-2022, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by doug_999
Nick Murray has done more for the community than any of us combined. Not aware of anyone going over every single option available on the 992 and he is very clear when he points out his opinion.
Totally agree.
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Old 09-23-2022, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by doug_999
“ … because of course it will have some new transmissions and fix that awful PCM”
I have a 2021 Cayenne GTS with PCM 5, which has many bugs. I had a 2022 loaner with PCM 6. It wasn’t much better. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Porsche to fix the PCM.
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Old 09-23-2022, 10:27 PM
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I didn’t watch a single Nick Murray video before or after purchase. But let’s thank him for his service.
Old 09-24-2022, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by shrimp money
I didn’t watch a single Nick Murray video before or after purchase. But let’s thank him for his service.
Your loss
Old 09-24-2022, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by aggie57
Some of you guys take Nick far more seriously than he does himself. Hell, the guy happily drives his 993 in the rain. And he has a BMW E30 back in NZ which isn't even a sporty model, but he loves it. I like the guy, he's genuine and no BS.
You seem to know way~~~ too much about him yourself!!!

Yup, we are completely surrounded by BS ourselves everywhere, it's unbelievable.

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He give his opinions, just like everyone else, and he does it in a very unassuming manner. I like Nick.
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Old 09-24-2022, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nibiru12
You seem to know way~~~ too much about him yourself!!!

Yup, we are completely surrounded by BS ourselves everywhere, it's unbelievable.
Nothing not on his YT channel. But I'm a Kiwi myself so I guess I can interpret more easily
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Old 09-24-2022, 04:00 PM
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I predict that we'll see mild hybridization across the board with the 992.2 -- the 8-speed PDK was built for an electric motor.
We'll likely see a performance hybrid TT/TTS with more substantial electrification and "Hybrid" badging to go along with it.
Frankly, the cars will be better for it. It's not like there's anything analog about the current experience anyway.

I am all for a 911 hybrid, because it will bring back the throttle response that we lost when the whole line-up got turbochargers. Having put 20k miles on my Taycan, the turbo lag and lesser throttle response of a turbocharged 992 is conspicuous when get behind the wheel.

Porsche has said that there will be no plug-in hybrid for the 992 generation, but you can expect the 994 to "go there" with a more substantial high voltage battery pack.

Even the NA GT3 is likely to get some kind of electrification in the future. It nearly went turbocharged for this generation, but Porsche was able to sell so many Taycans that they could keep the lower volume GT3 cars NA.

Now, I just need to stay away from the GT3RS configurator until the .2 cars land. LOL
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The weight penalty of a plug-in hybrid would be too much - and for what, a few miles of EV only range? Who really wants that in a 911? A regular hybrid is OK, but again the weight penalty of the motor, the battery pack, the brake regen system. How much weight is that going to add?
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Originally Posted by detansinn
I predict that we'll see mild hybridization across the board with the 992.2 -- the 8-speed PDK was built for an electric motor.
We'll likely see a performance hybrid TT/TTS with more substantial electrification and "Hybrid" badging to go along with it.
Frankly, the cars will be better for it. It's not like there's anything analog about the current experience anyway.

I am all for a 911 hybrid, because it will bring back the throttle response that we lost when the whole line-up got turbochargers. Having put 20k miles on my Taycan, the turbo lag and lesser throttle response of a turbocharged 992 is conspicuous when get behind the wheel.

Porsche has said that there will be no plug-in hybrid for the 992 generation, but you can expect the 994 to "go there" with a more substantial high voltage battery pack.

Even the NA GT3 is likely to get some kind of electrification in the future. It nearly went turbocharged for this generation, but Porsche was able to sell so many Taycans that they could keep the lower volume GT3 cars NA.

Now, I just need to stay away from the GT3RS configurator until the .2 cars land. LOL
I hope you are right but for pure selfish reasons, as I would be happy to see my soon to be delivered 2023 be the last of the pure combustion engines. I am used to a C7 corvette that reaches full torque at 4600 rpms and am looking forward to the C2S which will reach full torque at 2300 rpms. I would love the instant response of a Taycan but I like stick shifts.

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Old 09-25-2022, 12:43 PM
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I completely (friendly) disagree with any notion of a hybrid assistance not having better long term resale than the 992.1. Without a doubt the 992.2 fixing the weak point of turbos with an added hybrid system will make the 992.2 the most sought after 911 since the 993’s. Now… the all electric will more than likely not do well long term which will make the 992.2 hybrids even that more special.
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Old 09-25-2022, 01:08 PM
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If they can add 200 lb/ft with a hybrid and little weight penalty I’m all for it!
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Originally Posted by nyca
The weight penalty of a plug-in hybrid would be too much - and for what, a few miles of EV only range? Who really wants that in a 911?
A regular hybrid is OK, but again the weight penalty of the motor, the battery pack, the brake regen system. How much weight is that going to add?
Are you saying that Porsche 918 and Ferrari LaFerrari, SF90, Lamborghini Sián are no fun to drive due to their hybrid weight panelty?

I thought all the supercar manufacturers were heading towards hybrid powertrain... and super cars are also fun to drive...

Well, 911 is not really a supercar for the ultra-riches, but the tech trickles down for us.... (mostly upper middle class older men )
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Originally Posted by Nibiru12
Are you saying that Porsche 918 and Ferrari LaFerrari, SF90, Lamborghini Sián are no fun to drive due to their hybrid weight panelty?

I thought all the supercar manufacturers were heading towards hybrid powertrain... and super cars are also fun to drive...

Well, 911 is not really a supercar for the ultra-riches, but the tech trickles down for us.... (mostly upper middle class older men )
Consider the weight and complexity issue vs the benefit...the non-GT 911 is a daily driver, and where launch control is used 2 or 3 times the first week of ownership and never used again, you will be hauling the equivalent of a passenger around with you 24/7. The mission of a supercar and a 911 is very different. No one is dailying a LaFerrari. That 2 second 0-60 time is not all that useful on the 405 especially when it's costing you 100+ lbs and don't forget that extra weight requires bigger brakes and more suspension electronic trickery. The drive towards hybridization is unavoidable for Porsche but it doesn't mean it will result in a more enjoyable sports car.

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