Anyone test their 0-60 times?
06-17-2022, 01:38 PM
#46
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Patton250 -
I assume from your pic, you are driving the 992 TTS. What was your time before any tune, or other mods? As is, the stock TTS is already blisteringly fast. Porsche’s own conservative number (does not include roll out deduction) on the stock TTS is 2.6 sec to 60mph….and my own experiences, with my stock C2S, I can consistently knock about 0.1 sec off what Porsche lists (see my post #4).
Not criticizing what you tested, just trying to assess what the differences are from before, to after the tune? Is it worth it (time and risk wise?)
As stated above, 60 is easy to do almost anywhere, but what I really would like to see are other times such as 1/8 and 1/4 mile..and/ or 30-70, 40-80 and 70-130mph. I suspect that the tune/power bump will have a more pronounced improvement on those times? I know it’s more difficult to get those times on the street….where I test, my run is only about 1/8 mile. So unless I find a 1/4mi stretch of flat (safe) street to test on, I need to go to a drag.
Thx
I assume from your pic, you are driving the 992 TTS. What was your time before any tune, or other mods? As is, the stock TTS is already blisteringly fast. Porsche’s own conservative number (does not include roll out deduction) on the stock TTS is 2.6 sec to 60mph….and my own experiences, with my stock C2S, I can consistently knock about 0.1 sec off what Porsche lists (see my post #4).
Not criticizing what you tested, just trying to assess what the differences are from before, to after the tune? Is it worth it (time and risk wise?)
As stated above, 60 is easy to do almost anywhere, but what I really would like to see are other times such as 1/8 and 1/4 mile..and/ or 30-70, 40-80 and 70-130mph. I suspect that the tune/power bump will have a more pronounced improvement on those times? I know it’s more difficult to get those times on the street….where I test, my run is only about 1/8 mile. So unless I find a 1/4mi stretch of flat (safe) street to test on, I need to go to a drag.
Thx
I don't have a problem with the content of this thread, I was just making an observation. In years past Porsche owners, and I would argue most European car owners, treated 0-60 times (and top speed) them as intended; just some marketing. Like why drag strips are pretty much a US thing, and racing here is dominated by ovals whereas in other countries it's all about road circuits. We had one oval in Australia, a bumpy short circuit which went out of business very quickly. I did get to drive it several times in my road-race Alfa and it would try it's hardest to shake your eyeballs loose, but dropping down into heavily banked turns at speed, now that was fun.
Maybe it's the easier access to easily tunable turbo engines + PDK with launch control that's made 0-60 times more a thing with current 911 owners? Not sure, but as I say it's an observation.
Maybe it's the easier access to easily tunable turbo engines + PDK with launch control that's made 0-60 times more a thing with current 911 owners? Not sure, but as I say it's an observation.
06-17-2022, 02:32 PM
#47
my best time before the tune was 2/10 of a second slower. I’m thinking that tuning is probably not for you at this stage because you were asking about risk and time versus better results. They have been tuning turbo cars for as long as they’ve existed and it always makes a huge difference. But if you don’t think 20% more power is that big of a deal than it’s best to just stay away from it.
Oh, I think 20% is a big deal. The issue for me is - is it useable in how I drive on the street? I’ve seen a number of posted (ie, “verified” and documented) 0-60 Draggy times on the same model as what I have, a 2CS, and after the M-Engineering Stage 1 tune for 93 octane…. their draggy times were no different, or worse than what I get with my stock time? That surprised me. That said, I appreciate that 0-60 probably isn’t the best metric for these tunes, and that 40-80, 30-70 or 1/8 / 1/4 mile times might be better metrics for performance improvements that are measurable/quantifiable.
So, is this tune right for me? Don’t know yet? Still trying to gather data. That;’s what people in my profession do. Hoping to see a few times from different people, that have the S, that show how the tune improves acceleration times. That’s all.
By the way, tuning one’s car is not a new experience for me. I did it way back in the late 80’s when I tuned a couple of Saab turbo’s. Most recently, on my M4, I had a Dinan tune…after I saw documentation of performance numbers.
06-17-2022, 02:37 PM
#48
I have 35 years working as a physicist, so claims of this or that, without documentation, is not proof - to me, at least, it isn’t.
But not totally surprised, since this site is more about what people paid for their cars, or getting others to critique their build. Thousands of posts on such subjects.
Last edited by CodyBigdog; 06-17-2022 at 02:44 PM.
06-17-2022, 02:41 PM
#49
it’s pretty smart for any manufacturer to market cool things about their product. Going 0 to 60 mph in 2 1/2 seconds is pretty freaking cool and quite a feature and benefit. It’s not surprising at all that feature is appealing to many turbo S buyers and potential buyers. I suspect they probably don’t discuss the quality of stereos in Porsche cars either very much in European countries. Lol however we do quite a bit of that here in America. I guess my original question was just because this particular feature is not important to someone why would they come on a threat dedicated to this feature and mock the thread?
For many years i owned my own successful high-tech company. I would never think of trying to sell any of my products without having extensive technical documentation on the product I was marketing, to back up my claims.
I do appreciate those that have posted their run sheets. It’s been helpful in trying to make an informed decision as to whether a tune will meet my expectations?
Last edited by CodyBigdog; 06-17-2022 at 02:48 PM.
06-17-2022, 02:48 PM
#50
Racer
Were both tunes “stage 1”? There is a warning about using lower octane fuel than what the tune is for…that said, do you run E85 all the time on your C4S?
I’m still surprised that the only time difference you experienced was from the E85 tune? Disappointing if you need to run E85 all the time, or need to re-flash.
Thx
I’m still surprised that the only time difference you experienced was from the E85 tune? Disappointing if you need to run E85 all the time, or need to re-flash.
Thx
Yes, you must refresh too. Wish the ecu / tune was smart enough to tell the difference automatically, but reflashing is another small inconvenience, do I'm just sticking with the 93 stage 1 tune, plenty fast for me.
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06-17-2022, 02:52 PM
#51
I'm honestly going back to 93 stage 1 tune. E85 is hard to find and the mpg reduction inefficiencies are insane, like 30%.
Yes, you must refresh too. Wish the ecu / tune was smart enough to tell the difference automatically, but reflashing is another small inconvenience, do I'm just sticking with the 93 stage 1 tune, plenty fast for me
Yes, you must refresh too. Wish the ecu / tune was smart enough to tell the difference automatically, but reflashing is another small inconvenience, do I'm just sticking with the 93 stage 1 tune, plenty fast for me
Thx. I think if I get the tune, it will only be for 93 octane, also.
As an aside…have you or anybody you know used E85 without a tune? Just wondering what, if any, performance improvements are realized from higher octane on a stock set up?
06-17-2022, 03:00 PM
#53
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06-17-2022, 03:36 PM
#54
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Oh, I think 20% is a big deal. The issue for me is - is it useable in how I drive on the street? I’ve seen a number of posted (ie, “verified” and documented) 0-60 Draggy times on the same model as what I have, a 2CS, and after the M-Engineering Stage 1 tune for 93 octane…. their draggy times were no different, or worse than what I get with my stock time? That surprised me. That said, I appreciate that 0-60 probably isn’t the best metric for these tunes, and that 40-80, 30-70 or 1/8 / 1/4 mile times might be better metrics for performance improvements that are measurable/quantifiable.
So, is this tune right for me? Don’t know yet? Still trying to gather data. That;’s what people in my profession do. Hoping to see a few times from different people, that have the S, that show how the tune improves acceleration times. That’s all.
By the way, tuning one’s car is not a new experience for me. I did it way back in the late 80’s when I tuned a couple of Saab turbo’s. Most recently, on my M4, I had a Dinan tune…after I saw documentation of performance numbers.
So, is this tune right for me? Don’t know yet? Still trying to gather data. That;’s what people in my profession do. Hoping to see a few times from different people, that have the S, that show how the tune improves acceleration times. That’s all.
By the way, tuning one’s car is not a new experience for me. I did it way back in the late 80’s when I tuned a couple of Saab turbo’s. Most recently, on my M4, I had a Dinan tune…after I saw documentation of performance numbers.
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06-17-2022, 03:50 PM
#55
It is a special feeling, but sometimes the consequences can be equally, um, special.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...lly/?source=nl
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...lly/?source=nl
The article said they were part of a 4 day car rally…couldn’t tell if they were on a windy road, or not?
In any event, I’m pretty careful/conservative in choosing when I rapidly accelerate…and usually let off the accelerator around the speed where a stop by the police will result in going to jail with a reckless driving charge.
06-17-2022, 04:00 PM
#56
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Sad. From the picture, it didn’t look like a 911 turbo?
The article said they were part of a 4 day car rally…couldn’t tell if they were on a windy road, or not?
In any event, I’m pretty careful/conservative in choosing when I rapidly accelerate…and usually let off the accelerator around the speed where a stop by the police will result in going to jail with a reckless driving charge.
The article said they were part of a 4 day car rally…couldn’t tell if they were on a windy road, or not?
In any event, I’m pretty careful/conservative in choosing when I rapidly accelerate…and usually let off the accelerator around the speed where a stop by the police will result in going to jail with a reckless driving charge.
06-17-2022, 04:12 PM
#57
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It is a special feeling, but sometimes the consequences can be equally, um, special.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...lly/?source=nl
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...lly/?source=nl
06-17-2022, 04:24 PM
#58
I see. I guess I’m still confused. Out of all the tuning companies I’ve worked with I’ve never seen one with more details and personal testimonies on their tune and with more customer service than M Engineering. I’m not really sure what more you’re looking for. Forgive me for being so confused. It’s not like these guys just entered the scene last week and are saying hey try us.
https://www.dinancars.com/dinan-warranty/ And if you have a new car, and are part of their “development program”, I’ve been told, they will run times as part of that new tune development program.
But I’m not here to debate who offers the best customer service/product, or whether M-Engineering is a good company….I’m sure they are (although I have received 2 pm’s from Rennlisters that aren’t happy/satisfied). But that’s not the focus of my inquiry.
My focus is, or as you would say, “what more I’m looking for”….well, I was hoping either more customers, or M-Engineering themselves, would have information regarding acceleration times? Per the title of this thread. Any times, not just 0-60, and related to before and after a tune, on a 2CS…would be useful information to have…for me. Yea, I know some people could care less. But I do.
06-17-2022, 04:24 PM
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06-17-2022, 04:38 PM
#60
No technology would have saved me had I put the hammer down…and believe me, I was tempted. very.
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