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Old 04-15-2022, 02:21 PM
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I never wanted a car bad enough to pay a 20, 30, or 40% increased price just to earn the privilege to buy it. Growing up without wealth may have soured me on silly spending like this that will do nothing to increase the value of the car or ownership experience. But whoever wants to do this can go right ahead, since it’s their $’s.
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Originally Posted by Penn4S
I never wanted a car bad enough to pay a 20, 30, or 40% increased price just to earn the privilege to buy it. Growing up without wealth may have soured me on silly spending like this that will do nothing to increase the value of the car or ownership experience. But whoever wants to do this can go right ahead, since it’s their $’s.
exactly the same way here.... which is why my dealer who committed to give me an allocation at MSRP will likely not do so for the forseeable future, LOL. I guess growing up poor also made me very patient.
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Old 04-15-2022, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by slc4s
exactly the same way here.... which is why my dealer who committed to give me an allocation at MSRP will likely not do so for the forseeable future, LOL. I guess growing up poor also made me very patient.
I guess “YOLO” changes a lot. Many people change their mind and don’t wanna wait. **** happens everyday
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I guess “YOLO” changes a lot. Many people change their mind and don’t wanna wait. **** happens everyday
So many other wonderful things to do to maximize YOLO than overpaying for a car.
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Old 04-15-2022, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Penn4S
I never wanted a car bad enough to pay a 20, 30, or 40% increased price just to earn the privilege to buy it. Growing up without wealth may have soured me on silly spending like this that will do nothing to increase the value of the car or ownership experience. But whoever wants to do this can go right ahead, since it’s their $’s.
You would be surprised by how many wealthy people are cheap as heck.
Old 04-15-2022, 04:30 PM
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You would be surprised by how many wealthy people are cheap as heck.
My friend is one of those people, and he’ll be the first to admit his extremes. We are flying to PECATL in two weeks, and he picked economy on Delta where they pick your seat for you vs paying $20 more to pick your own seat.
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Originally Posted by slc4s
exactly the same way here.... which is why my dealer who committed to give me an allocation at MSRP will likely not do so for the forseeable future, LOL. I guess growing up poor also made me very patient.
Same. Also got an eventual allocation at MSRP. It will be a seriously long wait, but I’m ok with that. Would rather not participate in this speculative flippers market.
Old 04-15-2022, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by michaelp
Same. Also got an eventual allocation at MSRP. It will be a seriously long wait, but I’m ok with that. Would rather not participate in this speculative flippers market.
+2

Got on the list for a GT3 Touring at MSRP. May take a couple years and I'm ok with that.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
You would be surprised by how many wealthy people are cheap as heck.
It has nothing to do with being cheap. Why pay an ADM for a 911 when you have something like a Pista, 765, Senna, or one of the grail cars to go and drive?
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Originally Posted by Il CP
It has nothing to do with being cheap. Why pay an ADM for a 911 when you have something like a Pista, 765, Senna, or one of the grail cars to go and drive?
in this category, Porsche is like Toyota, relatively more reliable, looks ok, functional well and cost less, even with ADM
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Originally Posted by rk-d
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Got on the list for a GT3 Touring at MSRP. May take a couple years and I'm ok with that.
getting "on the list" means absolutely nothing. virtually no dealer ever gets the allocations to support their demand.

its just supply and demand. no different than anything else. rarely does a manufacturer price mean much.

if you bought a vintage car, its virtually guaranteed to cost more than it did new. what's the difference? that's inflation and demand.

if you go to a nice restaurant are you asking the manager how much they paid the meat distributor for your steak? or the 3X markup on wine?

no, because you've decided theres some value to you. its no different than someone getting a car first, or early, or at all. if the market demands it, who cares? you could also only cook meals at home, but i assume you pay premiums for things that you've rationalized to yourself are worth it.

if you want a car, and its available to you at fair market value, who cares? buy it and enjoy it. don't put principles to having fun, which is a subjective, irrational emotion.
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Originally Posted by lamacan
getting "on the list" means absolutely nothing. virtually no dealer ever gets the allocations to support their demand.

its just supply and demand. no different than anything else. rarely does a manufacturer price mean much.

if you bought a vintage car, its virtually guaranteed to cost more than it did new. what's the difference? that's inflation and demand.

if you go to a nice restaurant are you asking the manager how much they paid the meat distributor for your steak? or the 3X markup on wine?

no, because you've decided theres some value to you. its no different than someone getting a car first, or early, or at all. if the market demands it, who cares? you could also only cook meals at home, but i assume you pay premiums for things that you've rationalized to yourself are worth it.

if you want a car, and its available to you at fair market value, who cares? buy it and enjoy it. don't put principles to having fun, which is a subjective, irrational emotion.
I’ve bought a few cars. I know what I’m doing.

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Old 04-16-2022, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Il CP
It has nothing to do with being cheap. Why pay an ADM for a 911 when you have something like a Pista, 765, Senna, or one of the grail cars to go and drive?
….because it’s never enough, hence why they have a Pista…..and a 765…..and a Senna……and, and and.
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Originally Posted by rk-d
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Got on the list for a GT3 Touring at MSRP. May take a couple years and I'm ok with that.
buy a fun gap car. While I wait I picked up a wrangler 392 with extreme recon package (paid $1k over msrp) and haven’t had the top on since the week it came home. Honestly I smile as much in that thing as I ever have in a car. It’s fantastic
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Originally Posted by M3Inline6
….because it’s never enough, hence why they have a Pista…..and a 765…..and a Senna……and, and and.
You are missing the point. It's about the fact that a 911 simply does not feel special enough to warrant an ADM. I actually don't know many who own both a Pista and 765. It tends to be either one or the other for most of us. Senna is a different story.

Perhaps it would be better to say, why pay an ADM for a 911 when you have an 812, F8 or 720S as a daily driver as well? That's what I find to be what differentiates in this segment. The money and actual price of the ADM dies not really matter. It just makes zero sense to pay ADM for something that by comparison is not much higher on the ladder than say a BMW M or Audi RS. When that is the point of vantage, ADM on a regular 911 just seems utterly bonkers. If it was about being cheap, there would be no exotics in the garage at all.


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