992 GTS - Harry's garage
03-01-2022, 03:22 PM
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Makes sense.
Another difference that has come to light in the last few reviews is a different flywheel in GTS. A "strengthened dual-mass flywheel to cope with the additional torque". Unclear how much that matters - plenty of the 'regular' flywheels are dealing with additional torque from the tunes going around.
Another difference that has come to light in the last few reviews is a different flywheel in GTS. A "strengthened dual-mass flywheel to cope with the additional torque". Unclear how much that matters - plenty of the 'regular' flywheels are dealing with additional torque from the tunes going around.
PAG has to ensure that whatever OEM parts come with the car have to be good for the life of the OEM warranty period (4 years/50k miles) and a little more. Aftermarket tuners have no such worries. They may warranty the modification, even for the lifetime of the car, but the chances of the tuner being around longer than the lifetime of the car is generally a losing proposition.
03-01-2022, 03:25 PM
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PAG and aftermarket tuners face different consequences when it comes to manufacturing specific equipment to match the power output of the car.
PAG has to ensure that whatever OEM parts come with the car have to be good for the life of the OEM warranty period (4 years/50k miles) and a little more. Aftermarket tuners have no such worries. They may warranty the modification, even for the lifetime of the car, but the chances of the tuner being around longer than the lifetime of the car is generally a losing proposition.
PAG has to ensure that whatever OEM parts come with the car have to be good for the life of the OEM warranty period (4 years/50k miles) and a little more. Aftermarket tuners have no such worries. They may warranty the modification, even for the lifetime of the car, but the chances of the tuner being around longer than the lifetime of the car is generally a losing proposition.
03-01-2022, 03:27 PM
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Yes, on the track it could help. . Maybe? That said, my two college buddies that track almost every weekend have both commented to me (when I asked them during my build, whether I should opt for ceramic brakes)….the pads that come standard on the 911 will not suffer any heat related issues, such as fading for a routine track event. That being said, I only know what people I trust have told me. I can’t verify. But I would assume it’s dependent on how aggressive the driver is. My buddies know I’m basically a newbie, so won’t be driving right on the edge.
Stopping distance is important in everyday driving, and brake fade/softness, etc is a non-issue on the street.
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03-01-2022, 03:54 PM
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That's how I read it to. The S brakes are OK for maybe 20 minutes track time but start to go soft around then, at least on standard pads. Add on a few more horses and It's not hard to see these bigger brakes making a difference.
03-01-2022, 04:15 PM
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To clarify for those of us that don’t see it…what exactly constitutes “hate” against the GTS? It’s the right car for some people, but for others, don’t see it for them…how is any of that “GTS hate”. We are all brothers from the same 992 mother. 👍 How is this different from someone’s opinions on color or options, or manual vs PDK?
But if that’s “GTS hate”, then so be it.
But if that’s “GTS hate”, then so be it.
EDIT: Thank you garthg for the below post making my point.
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03-01-2022, 05:03 PM
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First, I want to mention that the GTS Has superior performance to the S, and I appreciate that and this post is not to diminish facts in any way… But, the minute Harry falls in love with the GTS badge, the review becomes useless for me. He mentions he feels the badge is special and cool for him to gaze at (something of that sort anyway) Looking forward to seeing some comparison reviews driven at the same time with same trans. and comparable spec. Before deciding if would personally want to move to the GTS.
And the centerlock wheels and Alcantara (Race-Tex) are a silly affectation for style only. The centerlock wheels could be a real pain in the butt if your local tire shops won't touch them, or if you plan, as I do, to take road trips into the hinterlands where you might not be able to get a tire replaced if you needed to.
The Race-Tex is going to wear horribly if it's like its Alcantara predecessor.
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03-01-2022, 05:08 PM
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That's more than a bit disingenuous. I never said that someone who prefers an S or a Base shows GTS Hate. Quite the opposite. But you - of all people - are active in those threads. If you say you "don't see it" and can't recognized it, you re either being intentionally dense or intentionally argumentative. In either event, there isn't anything I can write here that would be heard. And I am already anticipating your trademark non-sequitur response so knock yourself out.
Oh, and since you want to go there, let me be perfectly clear to the ambulance chaser - I don’t give a **** what you think…so keep banging your head against the wall.
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03-01-2022, 05:22 PM
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LOL, why did you assume I aimed my post at you? Several posters have used the “hater” label. Bit presumptuous.
Oh, and since you want to go there, let me be perfectly clear to the ambulance chaser - I don’t give a **** what you think…so keep banging your head against the wall.
Oh, and since you want to go there, let me be perfectly clear to the ambulance chaser - I don’t give a **** what you think…so keep banging your head against the wall.
And I am not sure where you think I went, but nice assumption - though entirely incorrect - that I am an ambulance chaser. Not sure how you pulled that one out of your a$$.
03-01-2022, 06:06 PM
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Yes, on the track it could help. . Maybe? That said, my two college buddies that track almost every weekend have both commented to me (when I asked them during my build, whether I should opt for ceramic brakes)….the pads that come standard on the 911 will not suffer any heat related issues, such as fading for a routine track event. That being said, I only know what people I trust have told me. I can’t verify. But I would assume it’s dependent on how aggressive the driver is. My buddies know I’m basically a newbie, so won’t be driving right on the edge.
Stopping distance is important in everyday driving, and brake fade/softness, etc is a non-issue on the street.
Stopping distance is important in everyday driving, and brake fade/softness, etc is a non-issue on the street.
From my own experience, if you are going to track the 992 911 (at any where near 5/10), you will need to upgrade both the pads and fluids if you enjoy being able to walk and eat, without electric assistance or a tube, after said track event.
03-01-2022, 06:26 PM
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That's just patently not accurate.
From my own experience, if you are going to track the 992 911 (at any where near 5/10), you will need to upgrade both the pads and fluids if you enjoy being able to walk and eat, without electric assistance or a tube, after said track event.
From my own experience, if you are going to track the 992 911 (at any where near 5/10), you will need to upgrade both the pads and fluids if you enjoy being able to walk and eat, without electric assistance or a tube, after said track event.
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03-01-2022, 08:49 PM
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Well, I made that assumption because I was the one that used the term. The only others that used it were responding to my post where I stated it. But if you want to try to back away from your post and claim it wasn't a response to me, that is fine. I am happy to let you tuck tail and run. And if you don't care what I think, the best (and most welcome) way to demonstrate that would be to stop responding to the posts where I write what I am thinking.
And I am not sure where you think I went, but nice assumption - though entirely incorrect - that I am an ambulance chaser. Not sure how you pulled that one out of your a$$.
And I am not sure where you think I went, but nice assumption - though entirely incorrect - that I am an ambulance chaser. Not sure how you pulled that one out of your a$$.
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03-01-2022, 09:26 PM
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03-02-2022, 05:22 PM
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I respectfully disagree with the last part of the statement about S vs. GTS.
I personally don't like the black accents or the Alcantara/Sport-Tex of the GTS, so I prefer the configurability of the S. You can get full leather on the GTS but comes at extra cost.
I think others have commented the same about wheel options, etc.
Other than the hype around the GTS, making it more desirable, I doubt their differences are really noticeable.
At least the 991 gen was not noticeably faster neither on the street nor at the track from what I can tell.
But yes, it's easy to get pulled into the GTS hype and prefer that car. I even find myself doing that sometimes until I can remind myself the reasons I prefer the S
I personally don't like the black accents or the Alcantara/Sport-Tex of the GTS, so I prefer the configurability of the S. You can get full leather on the GTS but comes at extra cost.
I think others have commented the same about wheel options, etc.
Other than the hype around the GTS, making it more desirable, I doubt their differences are really noticeable.
At least the 991 gen was not noticeably faster neither on the street nor at the track from what I can tell.
But yes, it's easy to get pulled into the GTS hype and prefer that car. I even find myself doing that sometimes until I can remind myself the reasons I prefer the S
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03-02-2022, 06:39 PM
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On the 991 other than option packages part of the argument was the gts had the wider body. Only the 992 the S and GTS the same body? Seems like a waste unless you are going to option your S in similiar fashion. I want a unicorn build, a targa with the gt3 engine......... the closest thing I could get was a 991.1 gts targa.
03-02-2022, 11:13 PM
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The difference is noticeable . I collected my 4 GTS PDK and firstly it actually sounds like a sports car which neither the c4s or s do. I'm so glad I got mine with an Aerokit. The lateral control in the wet is sublime and have driven one at Silverstone, I would agree with both Porsche drivers that for the type of power it has ,the 4 variant is better suited for UK roads. I drove the first S in 2019 and it just did not feel special enough.
I test drove a 991.2 GTS with the 450 hp / 406 ft-lb, and that car rocked. Fast AF- RWD. I ended up ordering a Turbo.
Now, you have 992 GTS with +30 hp over that, +14 ft-lb, potential for lightweight package, buckets, better manual transmission, better suspension...helper springs, massive Turbo brakes...this car could be a keeper!