nevennett

Yeah I like Nick a lot. In fact I am a Nick from NZ too, so what's not to like? But I disagree re the GTS. It has most of the options I would choose, so for me, it makes sense.

uniqueMR

Thanks for post.
Will never shift from GT3/GT3RS GTs are addictive.

Jimmy-D

I think that if you are looking to tune your 911 the GTS has some advantages. I read some where that the GTS has a beefier flywheel to deal with the extra torque. Add the larger brakes and Turbo suspension and it becomes a nice package that could manage another 80 to 100 ponies.

manifold danger

This is exactly where I'm at, plus the brakes. As you can see from the pic above, even the brakes on the S actually aesthetically look small- although really the performance is still more than adequate (arguably the bigger steel brakes add a bit of unsprung weight that may actually hinder performance more than an inconsequential amount...).

My build for the GTS actually broke even with my build for a C2S BECAUSE I specced the carbon-ceramic brakes for the above reasons... I don't think the performance impact for my personal use of PCCBs justifies the cost premium, but I would have made it work just for the visual effect alone on an S...

Plus in all the video reviews the GTS just sounds epic. The Carrera S sounds just ok. I have to painfully admit that I always had a bit of "GTS envy" when I had my 991.2 C2S, based primarily on the "hidden" benefits of the GTS; sound, suspension, etc. They may even be placebo, but there does just seem to be that little bit of "extra" about the GTS... and anecdotally I felt the same about the 981 Boxster GTS I had before the 911.

I love Nick's videos, he is one of my absolute favorite YouTubers, based primarily on the subject matter of his content, and his delivery. He's articulate and humble and amusing, and seems like a genuinely nice guy.

I do disagree with his take on the GTS, but he brings up some valid points.

chance6

It's because he's a Jaguar and James Bond / Aston Martin fanboy.

Kidding.

Denny Swift

I don't think Monkey Man ever actually sat in, let alone drove, a GTS when he made his "review."

chance6

This is correct, it never had a GT3 engine, that's a joke, it always had the X51 package. I know because I nearly bought a 997 GTS Cab and ended up with a 991.1 GTS coupe. While the engine was great with real mechanical changes vs. the S, it was no crazy powerful performer.

chance6

But he did! Or he said "pick of the range"...toward the end of the video.
I think about GTS being great but then I want the extra ponies, which means TTS.

ipse dixit

The biggest advantages of the 992 911 GTS over the "regular" 992 911 C2S is the shorter throw 7MT (if you're opting for a manual), the retuned suspension and dampening, and the larger Turbo S brakes, all of which are not available on the "regular" Carrera.

Whether that's important to you is simply a personal decision.

But for anyone that says you can option an "S" to mimic the GTS without all the Alcantara, er, I mean, Race-Tex and various GTS specific trim bits, is really missing the larger point of this generation's GTS -- it's not necessarily about more power, but about a different driving experience despite the (minimal) power delta.

Carlo_Carrera

I have zero skin in this game and not sure if this was posted in another thread but Doug DeMuro has the same feelings for the GTS as Harry does.

P0RKY

In another thread, I briefly mentioned how a persuasive Sales Agent played Jedi mind tricks on my weak-willed mind and got me to spec full leather for my Cayenne and Carrera S orders. "These are the leather-specs you're looking for" ...

Well, I am apparently worse than the Stormtroopers outside the Cantina at Mos Eisley... because even YouTube reviews can work their mind tricks on me.

I've just cancelled my S and put in the order for a GTS. I'm now looking at a middle of next year delivery...

/facepalms himself hard

BlackBeauty

Great review!

nevennett

Is there a clue in your profile pic?

ron4sc

Isn't that a good thing? He based his analysis on features and cost not emotions. Maybe he resonated more with me because I never drive cars at the dealer before we negotiate the price first.

TheStanman

Thank you for pointing this out. I'm always surprised by how many people don't realize the 992 GTS is different from previous gens. They repeat the previous approach (spec'd out S with a power bump and some price savings) without reading about the 992.

Now the GTS is a true price premium, but has several aspects that cannot be optioned on an S. In addition to what you mentioned, there is also the helper spring and rear seat delete option.

It's part of a broader strategy to further differentiate all Porsche GTS models. For other models it's been a different engine, while the 911 got non-engine upgrades.