Originally Posted by dhirm5

Makes sense.

Another difference that has come to light in the last few reviews is a different flywheel in GTS. A "strengthened dual-mass flywheel to cope with the additional torque". Unclear how much that matters - plenty of the 'regular' flywheels are dealing with additional torque from the tunes going around.

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

PAG and aftermarket tuners face different consequences when it comes to manufacturing specific equipment to match the power output of the car.

PAG has to ensure that whatever OEM parts come with the car have to be good for the life of the OEM warranty period (4 years/50k miles) and a little more. Aftermarket tuners have no such worries. They may warranty the modification, even for the lifetime of the car, but the chances of the tuner being around longer than the lifetime of the car is generally a losing proposition.

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

The bigger brakes on the GTS isn't just about stopping distance, but their heat dissipation after repeated stops

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

The bigger brakes on the GTS isn't just about stopping distance, but their heat dissipation after repeated stops

Originally Posted by CodyBigdog

To clarify for those of us that don’t see it…what exactly constitutes “hate” against the GTS? It’s the right car for some people, but for others, don’t see it for them…how is any of that “GTS hate”. We are all brothers from the same 992 mother. 👍 How is this different from someone’s opinions on color or options, or manual vs PDK?

But if that’s “GTS hate”, then so be it.

Originally Posted by 22992

First, I want to mention that the GTS Has superior performance to the S, and I appreciate that and this post is not to diminish facts in any way… But, the minute Harry falls in love with the GTS badge, the review becomes useless for me. He mentions he feels the badge is special and cool for him to gaze at (something of that sort anyway) Looking forward to seeing some comparison reviews driven at the same time with same trans. and comparable spec. Before deciding if would personally want to move to the GTS.

Originally Posted by Drew46

That's more than a bit disingenuous. I never said that someone who prefers an S or a Base shows GTS Hate. Quite the opposite. But you - of all people - are active in those threads. If you say you "don't see it" and can't recognized it, you re either being intentionally dense or intentionally argumentative. In either event, there isn't anything I can write here that would be heard. And I am already anticipating your trademark non-sequitur response so knock yourself out.

Originally Posted by CodyBigdog

LOL, why did you assume I aimed my post at you? Several posters have used the “hater” label. Bit presumptuous.

Oh, and since you want to go there, let me be perfectly clear to the ambulance chaser - I don’t give a **** what you think…so keep banging your head against the wall.

Originally Posted by CodyBigdog

Yes, on the track it could help. . Maybe? That said, my two college buddies that track almost every weekend have both commented to me (when I asked them during my build, whether I should opt for ceramic brakes)….the pads that come standard on the 911 will not suffer any heat related issues, such as fading for a routine track event. That being said, I only know what people I trust have told me. I can’t verify. But I would assume it’s dependent on how aggressive the driver is. My buddies know I’m basically a newbie, so won’t be driving right on the edge.

Stopping distance is important in everyday driving, and brake fade/softness, etc is a non-issue on the street.

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

That's just patently not accurate.

From my own experience, if you are going to track the 992 911 (at any where near 5/10), you will need to upgrade both the pads and fluids if you enjoy being able to walk and eat, without electric assistance or a tube, after said track event.

Originally Posted by Drew46

Well, I made that assumption because I was the one that used the term. The only others that used it were responding to my post where I stated it. But if you want to try to back away from your post and claim it wasn't a response to me, that is fine. I am happy to let you tuck tail and run. And if you don't care what I think, the best (and most welcome) way to demonstrate that would be to stop responding to the posts where I write what I am thinking.

And I am not sure where you think I went, but nice assumption - though entirely incorrect - that I am an ambulance chaser. Not sure how you pulled that one out of your a$$.

Originally Posted by centaur

Pointless to spar with this angry guy. He'll be calling you a racist at some point and declaring himself the injured party if it continues. It does make for some good internet entertainment.

Originally Posted by Panayos

I respectfully disagree with the last part of the statement about S vs. GTS.
I personally don't like the black accents or the Alcantara/Sport-Tex of the GTS, so I prefer the configurability of the S. You can get full leather on the GTS but comes at extra cost.
I think others have commented the same about wheel options, etc.
Other than the hype around the GTS, making it more desirable, I doubt their differences are really noticeable.
At least the 991 gen was not noticeably faster neither on the street nor at the track from what I can tell.
But yes, it's easy to get pulled into the GTS hype and prefer that car. I even find myself doing that sometimes until I can remind myself the reasons I prefer the S

Originally Posted by FJJ

The difference is noticeable . I collected my 4 GTS PDK and firstly it actually sounds like a sports car which neither the c4s or s do. I'm so glad I got mine with an Aerokit. The lateral control in the wet is sublime and have driven one at Silverstone, I would agree with both Porsche drivers that for the type of power it has ,the 4 variant is better suited for UK roads. I drove the first S in 2019 and it just did not feel special enough.