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I don't see the point in having an SUV that handles and accelerates like a sports car.
Sometimes you can't have a 911. Some people have families. Others have jobs that require more seating capacity. I, for example, live in a place that is hostile to 911s. My Macan Turbo daily indulges me with Porsche quality and performance in a place were I'm often subjected to cobblestone, speed bumps, dirt roads, potholes, etc. The Macan Turbo, especially with the performance package, is an absolute monster both in a straight line and in the twisties. It's a AWD sports car on stilts more so than an SUV or CUV.
Sometimes you can't have a 911. Some people have families. Others have jobs that require more seating capacity. I, for example, live in a place that is hostile to 911s. My Macan Turbo daily indulges me with Porsche quality and performance in a place were I'm often subjected to cobblestone, speed bumps, dirt roads, potholes, etc. The Macan Turbo, especially with the performance package, is an absolute monster both in a straight line and in the twisties. It's a AWD sports car on stilts more so than an SUV or CUV.
I sympathize 100% with that. But the answer for me is not a Macan. First of all you could modify a 911 to handle all the exact same roads as a Macan but I digress.
My only point was that I don't need to drive an SUV fast. Rav 4 > Macan (for me). It's the same size and half the price and does all the small SUV things I need without pretending to be a sports car. Sporty SUVs are just an entire segment I don't understand. It's not a Porsche specific thing. Give me a Tahoe or a Suburban or even a Range Rover that's not a lemon.
I sympathize 100% with that. But the answer for me is not a Macan. First of all you could modify a 911 to handle all the exact same roads as a Macan but I digress.
My only point was that I don't need to drive an SUV fast. Rav 4 > Macan (for me). It's the same size and half the price and does all the small SUV things I need without pretending to be a sports car. Sporty SUVs are just an entire segment I don't understand. It's not a Porsche specific thing. Give me a Tahoe or a Suburban or even a Range Rover that's not a lemon.
I'm on a list for a Dakar that won't likely get at this point. I'm not keen on the safari builds I've seen.
If you haven't driven a Macan, and I mean GTS or Turbo, you can't possibly understand. It reminds me of my old E39 M5 manual but with AWD and on stilts, if that means anything to you. Your point is more valid with the Cayenne. I love the Turbo GT from afar but don't see the point of a 5k lb monster.
I'm on a list for a Dakar that won't likely get at this point. I'm not keen on the safari builds I've seen.
If you haven't driven a Macan, and I mean GTS or Turbo, you can't possibly understand. It reminds me of my old E39 M5 manual but with AWD and on stilts, if that means anything to you. Your point is more valid with the Cayenne. I love the Turbo GT from afar but don't see the point of a 5k lb monster.
A close friend of mine has a Macan Turbo. It does all the things you say it does. That's just the problem. Why? I don't like big, heavy sport sedans either. Just give me a slow car and I'll drive it slowly. Or give me a sports car.
Agree with a lot of posts here that a good Cayenne will displace most miles put on almost any 911. And 911 owners don’t believe that until it’s too late
I have three Porsches in the garage, and the Macan S is my wife's. The Cayenne GTS does everything the 992 doesn't and vice versa. The Cayenne is the most comfortable and quickest highway cruiser I have ever owned. It took my wife on a 580 mile trip last week (and return) in absolute comfort with speed and luggage capacity. It will cruise as fast as you dare all day long. The 992 can do that, but it will hammer home every expansion joint, is twice a noisy and cannot carry the luggage for ten days at the beach. FYI I bought the Cayenne GTS and 992S just four months apart and the Cayenne has twice the miles on it, so it does get driven more.
I sympathize 100% with that. But the answer for me is not a Macan. First of all you could modify a 911 to handle all the exact same roads as a Macan but I digress.
My only point was that I don't need to drive an SUV fast. Rav 4 > Macan (for me). It's the same size and half the price and does all the small SUV things I need without pretending to be a sports car. Sporty SUVs are just an entire segment I don't understand. It's not a Porsche specific thing. Give me a Tahoe or a Suburban or even a Range Rover that's not a lemon.
^ I agree with this. I"m not into the whole "sporty SUV" thing myself. Cayennes and Macans just don't appeal to me.
I do like sporty sedans, though. BMW makes great ones
My brother is about to get an AMG GLE 63, so I will take that for a test drive and decide if my opinion on sporty SUV changes, but right now that's kind of how I feel....
Wow so many false statements in the above two posts.
- There is huge difference between 4,000 and 5,000 lbs.
- Cayenne is not a sports car.
- Having AWD has nothing to do with balance.
- Center of Gravity has a huge impact on performance.
- There are far more important factors than ring time.
If I were tasked with getting King Abullah II of Jordan and his wife from Downtown Washington DC to Dulles Airport (about 50 minutes) as fast as possible, and to do it smoothly, quietly and comfortably (with a couple of suitcases) a V8 Cayenne with air ride suspension is so choice.
Then, if I had to get just myself to the airport as fast as possible and needed to smoke a few off-ramps because I'm out of time....I have only a carry-on suitcase.... then a 992 is the weapon of choice..
If I were tasked with getting King Abullah II of Jordan and his wife from Downtown Washington DC to Dulles Airport (about 50 minutes) as fast as possible, and to do it smoothly, quietly and comfortably (with a couple of suitcases) a V8 Cayenne with air ride suspension is so choice.
Exactly. There's no realistic scenario where that car is useful. It CAN do some cool things, but you have to pay a bunch of money for what it might be able to do, and it's never going to be as good as a Chevy Tahoe at being an SUV.
A consumer market 911 is not a race car; it’s a GT. And Cayenne does GT objectively better than almost anything else
What the 911 does better than anything else is give the consumer an authentic-feeling racing experience. Five seconds in any Mezger on boost, or GT at 8K RPM demonstrates that
Originally Posted by drcollie
Here's a way to see the difference.
If I were tasked with getting King Abullah II of Jordan and his wife from Downtown Washington DC to Dulles Airport (about 50 minutes) as fast as possible, and to do it smoothly, quietly and comfortably (with a couple of suitcases) a V8 Cayenne with air ride suspension is so choice.
Then, if I had to get just myself to the airport as fast as possible and needed to smoke a few off-ramps because I'm out of time....I have only a carry-on suitcase.... then a 992 is the weapon of choice..
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