992 Carrera T Club
11-19-2023, 07:53 PM
11-19-2023, 07:55 PM
Michelin > both Pirelli and Goodyear.
Unclear about Pirelli vs Goodyear. For example, Seinfeld said in a podcast that they were quieter than the Michelins. Also, on other sport cars, they (Pirelli) seem to be more directional unstable at the limit and "smear".
I've never had any Pirellis on my cars, a couple of friends had some on theirs. Drove with Michelins Pilot Super Sport, Cup 2 and PS4S on the street and track and the actual Asym3 on my T, also street and track.
Cup2>PS4S>Asym3~PSS.
The 4S is like a half baked Cup2, did "lazy" Nurburgring 8 min laps on them (G80 M3/M4 Comp), perfect traction and no surprises. In the parking lot, after 3-4 laps, you could hear them sticking to the tarmac like a semi-slick. The PSS overheats a lot faster and there is no "semi slick" grip in them, if pushed too far, they will reach 100+°C and you will under steer a lot. The 4S with some care will stuck at 55-60°C and will grip. Move them above that temperature and it begins to smear. Cup2 are a pain in the ---s to manage regarding temp vs pressure. Pressure will rise exponentially with the temperature. A good 1,9-2,1 bar at 60-70°C will drop to 1,5 or even lower when cold (20°C). Or, start the car in the garage, at 2.6, drive it 4-5 miles on the autobahn and watch the pressure reach 3 bar when the temperature is barely at 35°C. A pure track tire.
I love the Asym3 on the T. Feels a lot like the PSS but with more grip. Also comfortable and enough grip when wet. I might or might not change to P4S (if I keep the T in the end), or try Asym5 or PSS5. At the moment, the Asym3 are more than enough for me. Go for Cup2 only if you track the car a lot and live somewhere warm. For 95-99% street driving, PS4S is more than enough.
Unless lap times are important, you can live with the Asym3 if you "lost the tire lottery".
Unclear about Pirelli vs Goodyear. For example, Seinfeld said in a podcast that they were quieter than the Michelins. Also, on other sport cars, they (Pirelli) seem to be more directional unstable at the limit and "smear".
I've never had any Pirellis on my cars, a couple of friends had some on theirs. Drove with Michelins Pilot Super Sport, Cup 2 and PS4S on the street and track and the actual Asym3 on my T, also street and track.
Cup2>PS4S>Asym3~PSS.
The 4S is like a half baked Cup2, did "lazy" Nurburgring 8 min laps on them (G80 M3/M4 Comp), perfect traction and no surprises. In the parking lot, after 3-4 laps, you could hear them sticking to the tarmac like a semi-slick. The PSS overheats a lot faster and there is no "semi slick" grip in them, if pushed too far, they will reach 100+°C and you will under steer a lot. The 4S with some care will stuck at 55-60°C and will grip. Move them above that temperature and it begins to smear. Cup2 are a pain in the ---s to manage regarding temp vs pressure. Pressure will rise exponentially with the temperature. A good 1,9-2,1 bar at 60-70°C will drop to 1,5 or even lower when cold (20°C). Or, start the car in the garage, at 2.6, drive it 4-5 miles on the autobahn and watch the pressure reach 3 bar when the temperature is barely at 35°C. A pure track tire.
I love the Asym3 on the T. Feels a lot like the PSS but with more grip. Also comfortable and enough grip when wet. I might or might not change to P4S (if I keep the T in the end), or try Asym5 or PSS5. At the moment, the Asym3 are more than enough for me. Go for Cup2 only if you track the car a lot and live somewhere warm. For 95-99% street driving, PS4S is more than enough.
Unless lap times are important, you can live with the Asym3 if you "lost the tire lottery".
Last edited by Uhu; 11-20-2023 at 11:30 AM. Reason: Pirelli
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11-19-2023, 08:04 PM
Treadware rating are next to useless. Close to irrelevant. I've raced on many 200 treadwear tires and they're all different. They are nowhere near the same compound even though they share. TW rating. In fact, some manufacturers have been known to change the TW rating without changing the tire to align with some spec racing classes.
I can tell you I've driven on both the Pzeros and the PS4S on the track, hard, and the Pirellis are **** comparatively. I actually had the tread fail and delaminate completely on the Pirellis.
On the streets, the Michilens are quieter and more confidence inspiring.
I haven't driven a Goodyear tire in 10 years so I have no opinion.
I can tell you I've driven on both the Pzeros and the PS4S on the track, hard, and the Pirellis are **** comparatively. I actually had the tread fail and delaminate completely on the Pirellis.
On the streets, the Michilens are quieter and more confidence inspiring.
I haven't driven a Goodyear tire in 10 years so I have no opinion.
11-19-2023, 08:25 PM
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I've been on track with Michelin Super Sport on my GT350 which were decent. I've also tracked both Pirelli's and Goodyears and the Goodyears were surprisingly good. The Pirellis sucked so bad I felt unsafe when they got hot. They were squishy and squirmy, especially under braking. And trail braking was flat out risky!
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Uhu (11-20-2023)
11-19-2023, 10:39 PM
Quick question; With or without rear seats, is anyone fitting a set (or 2) of golf clubs behind the front seats? Or would I be in the same position as my 981 and have to stick them in the passenger seat?
Also... 25k over original msrp? Am I missing something on this or is this the used adm trend on these? https://www.porschegreensboro.com/us...AA2A92PS205733
Also... 25k over original msrp? Am I missing something on this or is this the used adm trend on these? https://www.porschegreensboro.com/us...AA2A92PS205733
11-20-2023, 12:51 AM
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@Devon Racer I would take the PS4S simply because I don't know how the F1s will age. They could be great now but get noisy or performance could drop off quickly once the tread starts getting lower. It's an unknown because there is little to no info on the N spec version of these tires, whereas PS4Ss have a long history. I wouldn't worry too much about the 5 months. Our cars sit for months between production completion and delivery.
11-20-2023, 09:22 AM
Michelin > both Pirelli and Goodyear.
Unclear about Pirelli vs Goodyear. For example, Seinfeld said in a podcast that they were quieter than the Michelins. Also, on other sport cars, they seem to be more directional unstable at the limit and "smear".
I've never had any Pirellis on my cars. Drove with Michelins Pilot Super Sport, Cup 2 and PS4S on the street and track and the actual Asym3 on my T, also street and track.
Cup2>PS4S>Asym3~PSS.
The 4S is like a half baked Cup2, did Nurburgring 8 min laps on them (G80 M3/M4 Comp), perfect traction and no surprises. In the parking lot, after 3-4 laps, you could hear them sticking to the tarmac like a semi-slick. The PSS overheats a lot faster and there is no "semi slick" grip in them, if pushed too far, they will reach 100+°C and you will under steer a lot. The 4S with some care will stuck at 55-60°C and will grip. Move them above that temperature and it begins to smear. Cup2 are a pain in the ---s to manage regarding temp vs pressure. Pressure will rise exponentially with the temperature. A good 1,9-2,1 bar at 60-70°C will drop to 1,5 or even lower when cold (20°C). Or, start the car in the garage, at 2.6, drive it 4-5 miles on the autobahn and watch the pressure reach 3 bar when the temperature is barely at 35°C. A pure track tire.
I love the Asym3 on the T. Feels a lot like the PSS but with more grip. Also comfortable and enough grip when wet. I might or might not change to P4S (if I keep the T in the end), or try Asym5 or PSS5. At the moment, the Asym3 are more than enough for me. Go for Cup2 only if you track the car a lot and live somewhere warm. For 95-99% street driving, PS4S is more than enough.
Unless lap times are important, you can live with the Asym3 if you "lost the tire lottery".
Unclear about Pirelli vs Goodyear. For example, Seinfeld said in a podcast that they were quieter than the Michelins. Also, on other sport cars, they seem to be more directional unstable at the limit and "smear".
I've never had any Pirellis on my cars. Drove with Michelins Pilot Super Sport, Cup 2 and PS4S on the street and track and the actual Asym3 on my T, also street and track.
Cup2>PS4S>Asym3~PSS.
The 4S is like a half baked Cup2, did Nurburgring 8 min laps on them (G80 M3/M4 Comp), perfect traction and no surprises. In the parking lot, after 3-4 laps, you could hear them sticking to the tarmac like a semi-slick. The PSS overheats a lot faster and there is no "semi slick" grip in them, if pushed too far, they will reach 100+°C and you will under steer a lot. The 4S with some care will stuck at 55-60°C and will grip. Move them above that temperature and it begins to smear. Cup2 are a pain in the ---s to manage regarding temp vs pressure. Pressure will rise exponentially with the temperature. A good 1,9-2,1 bar at 60-70°C will drop to 1,5 or even lower when cold (20°C). Or, start the car in the garage, at 2.6, drive it 4-5 miles on the autobahn and watch the pressure reach 3 bar when the temperature is barely at 35°C. A pure track tire.
I love the Asym3 on the T. Feels a lot like the PSS but with more grip. Also comfortable and enough grip when wet. I might or might not change to P4S (if I keep the T in the end), or try Asym5 or PSS5. At the moment, the Asym3 are more than enough for me. Go for Cup2 only if you track the car a lot and live somewhere warm. For 95-99% street driving, PS4S is more than enough.
Unless lap times are important, you can live with the Asym3 if you "lost the tire lottery".
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11-20-2023, 10:37 AM
On point…
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11-20-2023, 10:54 AM
I'm glad they took the time to revisit the T. Sounds like Jack is team RAS 
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11-20-2023, 11:01 AM
11-20-2023, 11:05 AM
Burning Brakes
They drive the car on the most boring, flat, straight farm roads and then say the car is lacking excitement 🤣
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11-20-2023, 11:20 AM
11-20-2023, 11:25 AM
As for Mark, the LC500 is a completely different experience. Drive one to see. 😎
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11-20-2023, 11:32 AM
🤷♂️ Source? I have watched a ton of their videos and never heard or got the impression that Jack owns a Porsche. There have been many times that Jack has stated that he has difficulty giving the money for the product and if he went back to his educated employment as an engineer then he could afford one and it appears that it would be a GT car.
Edit: See screenshot below.
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11-20-2023, 11:41 AM
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