992 Base Carrera or Carrera S
02-25-2021, 04:07 PM
#76
Three Wheelin'
Could not agree more. I do fear of the instant regret which is why I am leaning towards the C2S. Being able to go through the gears on a sunny day or hitting the downshifts (can the auto rev-match be turned off?) spot on has always been the fundamental joy in driving for me. I remember test driving a Cayman R a few years back and the auto rev-matching both was awesome and also sad at the same time. Not being able to blip the throttle just the right amount and popping it into gear kind of sucked, but I can see from a typical driver standpoint, it'd be nice to essentially have perfect rev match downshift.
While I agree spending well over $100k the $18k shouldn't make a difference, but I come from a frugal and money conscious background and upbringing, so I do factor in whether the only main point for me in getting the S is the manual and if so, if that's worth the extra $$$.
To provide a bit more context, I don't own a business and pull in millions, I don't have a trust fund from parents. I earn a decent salary and just saved up to pull off this soon to be purchase. That's why the $18k can definitely be put to use elsewhere.
While I agree spending well over $100k the $18k shouldn't make a difference, but I come from a frugal and money conscious background and upbringing, so I do factor in whether the only main point for me in getting the S is the manual and if so, if that's worth the extra $$$.
To provide a bit more context, I don't own a business and pull in millions, I don't have a trust fund from parents. I earn a decent salary and just saved up to pull off this soon to be purchase. That's why the $18k can definitely be put to use elsewhere.
Last edited by 911boy; 02-25-2021 at 04:09 PM.
02-25-2021, 04:57 PM
#77
Rennlist Member
I wouldnt sweat it using a C2 with winters on it. That said, I do agree that AWD still gets the nod for traction in slippery conditions. The one thing I don’t fully agree with is the $18k difference between the base and S ... surely there are a few options that most would add to the base (that are included in the S) that reduces this. Having spent too much time building my next car, I’d suggest the differential is closer to $12k. Still a chunk of change though ...
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02-25-2021, 05:35 PM
#78
I wouldnt sweat it using a C2 with winters on it. That said, I do agree that AWD still gets the nod for traction in slippery conditions. The one thing I don’t fully agree with is the $18k difference between the base and S ... surely there are a few options that most would add to the base (that are included in the S) that reduces this. Having spent too much time building my next car, I’d suggest the differential is closer to $12k. Still a chunk of change though ...
02-25-2021, 06:24 PM
#79
Pinetree 3, I think you would be taking an unreasonable risk if you don't get the S-- primarily because you are pretty clear that you are a manual guy, and the S is the only way to get there. How would you feel if, three months after delivery of your $100K+ car you conclude "I wish I would have ordered a manual"? t seems to me that there are very few people who order a manual and three months later wish they had gotten a PDK. Also, consider that the total cost of choosing an S isn't $18k Canadian. One day you are going to sell or trade the car, and the S will bring a premium. For argument's sake, let's assume that half of the differential between the base and S is made up when trading or selling. If that's the case, the delta between the base and S is $9000. If you keep the car five years, that works out to $1800 a year to own a car with your preferred transmission, an upgraded engine, and bigger wheels and brakes. So, unless you are at the absolute limit of your budget, the rational choice is the S.
In answer to your question about rev matching, you can avoid that by driving the car in Normal mode. Rev matching is activated in Sport or Sports Plus modes-- or (not recommended) if you disable stability control and other safety features. Don't worry-- the manual car is great fun the way they designed it.
In answer to your question about rev matching, you can avoid that by driving the car in Normal mode. Rev matching is activated in Sport or Sports Plus modes-- or (not recommended) if you disable stability control and other safety features. Don't worry-- the manual car is great fun the way they designed it.
02-25-2021, 07:28 PM
#80
Glad I found this thread. Just joined the forums today after some lurking, so hello everyone! I am also considering getting into my first P-car, either a C2 or C2S. I am torn since manual is almost a must for me, but I feel paying the extra $18k CAD (I'm from Canada), just for the manual transmission is a bit steep. Based on what everyone's been saying here, I feel the C2 is plenty fast for me as it will be a summer/daily driver which I plan to drive in the winter when the roads are not covered in snow. My thinking is why buy a car to store it when I can enjoy it as much as I can.
That said, I'm still completely undecided which to go with. The C4 would be perfect for Canadian winters, but again, I need that S badge for the manual option. Do I really take a C2/C4 and save some $$$ and have a really awesome car but not being able to enjoy hitting the clutch and shifting which has always been a dream when I think of owning a 911. Decisions, decisions.
That said, I'm still completely undecided which to go with. The C4 would be perfect for Canadian winters, but again, I need that S badge for the manual option. Do I really take a C2/C4 and save some $$$ and have a really awesome car but not being able to enjoy hitting the clutch and shifting which has always been a dream when I think of owning a 911. Decisions, decisions.
02-25-2021, 09:22 PM
#81
My dilemma as well. To make matters worse, here in BC if you go over $125k there is an additional 5% tax (of the WHOLE purchase price FFS)! Basically, you have to do a short term lease and buy it out as soon as the residual is under 125k. What a joke. But as mentioned, my build is only 12K more going S because there are less options needed (21" tires) SC etc. So unless you're getting a stripper, it will be less than $18K I'm sure. But still, 12K for a MT when you don't care about the HP and brakes is a bitter pill to swallow - I feel ya. Personally, I'm on the fence.
02-25-2021, 09:41 PM
#82
Yeah that was car of choice a few years ago but 2 kids later I need the backseats. As much as it barely fits anything in the back, there is still the possibility of driving the fam around. Having a GT4 is really just for my own pleasure.
02-25-2021, 09:45 PM
#83
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02-25-2021, 09:48 PM
#84
My dilemma as well. To make matters worse, here in BC if you go over $125k there is an additional 5% tax (of the WHOLE purchase price FFS)! Basically, you have to do a short term lease and buy it out as soon as the residual is under 125k. What a joke. But as mentioned, my build is only 12K more going S because there are less options needed (21" tires) SC etc. So unless you're getting a stripper, it will be less than $18K I'm sure. But still, 12K for a MT when you don't care about the HP and brakes is a bitter pill to swallow - I feel ya. Personally, I'm on the fence.
I get what everyone is saying about the actual difference factoring in what’s already included in MSRP, but there isn’t anything I need other than the manual option to be honest so I do see it as $18k difference.
02-25-2021, 10:29 PM
#85
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02-26-2021, 08:24 AM
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02-26-2021, 11:01 AM
#88
Another question I had is, do dealerships have 911s in exact trims and transmissions to test drive? I'd definitely want to drive a base PDK and a manual S before making a $150k CAD decision. Not that it would change any of the things I said or prefer, but I just feel that is reasonable to do in case I magically find that the PDK a thrill or the S is just too fast for a daily.
02-26-2021, 11:05 AM
#89
Yup this is definitely true when it comes to Sports Chrono/PSE. If you were going to add those to your C2, but were going to get a C2S for the manual, that option alone reduces the cost $2.4K (USD) and you don't get SPASM. Then little extras add up so that similarly C2/C4 spec'ed cars are really only about $12K apart.
02-26-2021, 11:07 AM
#90
Another question I had is, do dealerships have 911s in exact trims and transmissions to test drive? I'd definitely want to drive a base PDK and a manual S before making a $150k CAD decision. Not that it would change any of the things I said or prefer, but I just feel that is reasonable to do in case I magically find that the PDK a thrill or the S is just too fast for a daily.
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