992 Base Carrera or Carrera S
02-26-2021, 11:10 AM
#91
02-26-2021, 11:21 AM
#92
My next question would be, I hope they have 718s so I can at least get a sense of the PDK vs manual feeling in person.
02-26-2021, 12:39 PM
#93
That makes sense, but also horrifying to hear. I know GT cars were rare, but I would figure they'd have non-GT 992s around. I sometimes drive by the Pfaff dealership and I see tons of 992s on the lot. Presumably those might be customer cars?
My next question would be, I hope they have 718s so I can at least get a sense of the PDK vs manual feeling in person.
My next question would be, I hope they have 718s so I can at least get a sense of the PDK vs manual feeling in person.
I have only seen 2 992 MTs dealers in the past year plus now. 1 was a customer car that I was allowed to sit in and put it the clutch so I could feel it and the short throw shifter. No driving it of course. The other was a new vehicle at a dealership an hour away that I really wanted to get down to drive (though I don't think I would have bought it for the color/options/etc.) and unfortunately it sold before I could find the time to get down there to drive it. So like many I am going off of the YT reviews and ordering an MT sans experiencing it.
02-26-2021, 12:57 PM
#94
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Most of the dealers in my area have 1 or 2 992s for sale, or zero. And they don't last long. I drove over an hour to one of my area dealers to drive a used 2020 C4S with SPASM to get a sense of the option and decided to go with it, SPASM that is on my build, not purchasing the car.
I have only seen 2 992 MTs dealers in the past year plus now. 1 was a customer car that I was allowed to sit in and put it the clutch so I could feel it and the short throw shifter. No driving it of course. The other was a new vehicle at a dealership an hour away that I really wanted to get down to drive (though I don't think I would have bought it for the color/options/etc.) and unfortunately it sold before I could find the time to get down there to drive it. So like many I am going off of the YT reviews and ordering an MT sans experiencing it.
I have only seen 2 992 MTs dealers in the past year plus now. 1 was a customer car that I was allowed to sit in and put it the clutch so I could feel it and the short throw shifter. No driving it of course. The other was a new vehicle at a dealership an hour away that I really wanted to get down to drive (though I don't think I would have bought it for the color/options/etc.) and unfortunately it sold before I could find the time to get down there to drive it. So like many I am going off of the YT reviews and ordering an MT sans experiencing it.
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02-26-2021, 01:07 PM
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...manual-review/
02-26-2021, 03:12 PM
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02-26-2021, 04:08 PM
#99
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Different manual ... I've never driven the 981 R but did own a manual 981B for several years. The 991.2 7 speed is very nice but is different than the 6 speed (both are great but the 7 speed took a little getting used to and the clutch isn't quite as firm compared to the 981). My money is on there not being any 992 manuals to test drive for 2021. Im waiting for an allocation and am told that there's a supply issue which is pushing these further into the future. I'm hoping I'll have a 992 at some point but it will most likely be a 2022. For what its worth, if there are no manuals to test drive in TO, my 2019 Targa is now at Mark Motors (Ottawa) and will be available for sale shortly IF you want to make the 4+ hour drive. Since the winter wheels/ tires are sold (coming off the car early next week), arranging a test drive will subject to the weather).
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02-26-2021, 05:25 PM
#100
Different manual ... I've never driven the 981 R but did own a manual 981B for several years. The 991.2 7 speed is very nice but is different than the 6 speed (both are great but the 7 speed took a little getting used to and the clutch isn't quite as firm compared to the 981). My money is on there not being any 992 manuals to test drive for 2021. Im waiting for an allocation and am told that there's a supply issue which is pushing these further into the future. I'm hoping I'll have a 992 at some point but it will most likely be a 2022. For what its worth, if there are no manuals to test drive in TO, my 2019 Targa is now at Mark Motors (Ottawa) and will be available for sale shortly IF you want to make the 4+ hour drive. Since the winter wheels/ tires are sold (coming off the car early next week), arranging a test drive will subject to the weather).
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Stevelev (02-26-2021)
03-01-2021, 02:58 PM
#101
It is correct there is little lap time information for the base.
At the Hockenheim GP track, for the base 992 Carrera, the time is 1 minute 57.6 Seconds
Cayman Boxster 718 GTS 1 minute 57.7 seconds
BMW M2 competition 1 minute 57.6 seconds
992 Carrera S 1 minute 53.3 seconds
Hope this helps to give some perspective. We are not supposed to provide links to other websites, however this information is easy to find online, for an entire list of lap times at this track.
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06-18-2021, 02:29 PM
#103
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Base is better for regular roads. Get the S for bragging rights or it's your last Porsche. Get the S if you are a track lover.
With the base, You'll be able to rev more and push the car closer to it's limits without going TOO much over the speed limit. For example, on the S, in order to enjoy it you will be going like 60-65mph on a 45mph road. That's too fast, whereas in a humble base, it's around 50-55 ish, just right.
The 992 is so fast that even the base is faster than a 991.2 4S. Even when pulling on the highway it feels like a 991.1 Turbo that's how much power you have.
You cannot really discern the .3 or whatever from 0-60-100 in a base or the S. You will be around 80-85 mph when an S will give you 100+.
On US highways where the limit is 55-65, upon hard accelerating where it is fun, the base will be around 80-85 (under 90 threshold). You will most likely avoid any tickets since many other cars are in that range, but when you are doing 95+ you will for sure grab the attention of traffic enforcement. It was not like this in the 991.1 and 991.2 generation. Back then, the S was barely adequate. You could use the power of the GTS freely. Problem is the 992 became so much faster and smoother.
The base/pasm/spasm is similar. The base non-pasm is more suited for daily driving. It's more comfortable and relaxed. I tried the Spasm and man each bump on the road was like cracking your back. Non-pasm vs pasm, for the street I still prefer the non-pasm. To me any active suspensions versus regular coil springs detract from the naturalness. I hate feeling any lag or "calculating" so to speak, and that's also why I'm not a big fan of real-wheel steering either.
Porsche-Torque-Vectoring (Limited slip differential) is imperceptible with proper tires and regular driving, even in bad weather. It doesn't really help unless you are driving like a nut all the time, in bad weather. It's suited for the track. You don't need it. Incidentally the only time I slipped out was on a 991.2 4S with all the bells and whistles PTV/RWS/PASM etc.
The right answer is that you gotta configure the car for your specific needs.
But, objectively the setup that fits the streets and regular driving, the base setup is the most ideal. The reason why you have so many S is flat-out better than the base posts is basically because of 1) the press and 2) Defending their egos.
I've driven them all.
With the base, You'll be able to rev more and push the car closer to it's limits without going TOO much over the speed limit. For example, on the S, in order to enjoy it you will be going like 60-65mph on a 45mph road. That's too fast, whereas in a humble base, it's around 50-55 ish, just right.
The 992 is so fast that even the base is faster than a 991.2 4S. Even when pulling on the highway it feels like a 991.1 Turbo that's how much power you have.
You cannot really discern the .3 or whatever from 0-60-100 in a base or the S. You will be around 80-85 mph when an S will give you 100+.
On US highways where the limit is 55-65, upon hard accelerating where it is fun, the base will be around 80-85 (under 90 threshold). You will most likely avoid any tickets since many other cars are in that range, but when you are doing 95+ you will for sure grab the attention of traffic enforcement. It was not like this in the 991.1 and 991.2 generation. Back then, the S was barely adequate. You could use the power of the GTS freely. Problem is the 992 became so much faster and smoother.
The base/pasm/spasm is similar. The base non-pasm is more suited for daily driving. It's more comfortable and relaxed. I tried the Spasm and man each bump on the road was like cracking your back. Non-pasm vs pasm, for the street I still prefer the non-pasm. To me any active suspensions versus regular coil springs detract from the naturalness. I hate feeling any lag or "calculating" so to speak, and that's also why I'm not a big fan of real-wheel steering either.
Porsche-Torque-Vectoring (Limited slip differential) is imperceptible with proper tires and regular driving, even in bad weather. It doesn't really help unless you are driving like a nut all the time, in bad weather. It's suited for the track. You don't need it. Incidentally the only time I slipped out was on a 991.2 4S with all the bells and whistles PTV/RWS/PASM etc.
The right answer is that you gotta configure the car for your specific needs.
But, objectively the setup that fits the streets and regular driving, the base setup is the most ideal. The reason why you have so many S is flat-out better than the base posts is basically because of 1) the press and 2) Defending their egos.
I've driven them all.
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06-18-2021, 05:53 PM
#104
Base is better for regular roads. Get the S for bragging rights or it's your last Porsche. Get the S if you are a track lover.
With the base, You'll be able to rev more and push the car closer to it's limits without going TOO much over the speed limit. For example, on the S, in order to enjoy it you will be going like 60-65mph on a 45mph road. That's too fast, whereas in a humble base, it's around 50-55 ish, just right.
The 992 is so fast that even the base is faster than a 991.2 4S. Even when pulling on the highway it feels like a 991.1 Turbo that's how much power you have.
You cannot really discern the .3 or whatever from 0-60-100 in a base or the S. You will be around 80-85 mph when an S will give you 100+.
On US highways where the limit is 55-65, upon hard accelerating where it is fun, the base will be around 80-85 (under 90 threshold). You will most likely avoid any tickets since many other cars are in that range, but when you are doing 95+ you will for sure grab the attention of traffic enforcement. It was not like this in the 991.1 and 991.2 generation. Back then, the S was barely adequate. You could use the power of the GTS freely. Problem is the 992 became so much faster and smoother.
The base/pasm/spasm is similar. The base non-pasm is more suited for daily driving. It's more comfortable and relaxed. I tried the Spasm and man each bump on the road was like cracking your back. Non-pasm vs pasm, for the street I still prefer the non-pasm. To me any active suspensions versus regular coil springs detract from the naturalness. I hate feeling any lag or "calculating" so to speak, and that's also why I'm not a big fan of real-wheel steering either.
Porsche-Torque-Vectoring (Limited slip differential) is imperceptible with proper tires and regular driving, even in bad weather. It doesn't really help unless you are driving like a nut all the time, in bad weather. It's suited for the track. You don't need it. Incidentally the only time I slipped out was on a 991.2 4S with all the bells and whistles PTV/RWS/PASM etc.
The right answer is that you gotta configure the car for your specific needs.
But, objectively the setup that fits the streets and regular driving, the base setup is the most ideal. The reason why you have so many S is flat-out better than the base posts is basically because of 1) the press and 2) Defending their egos.
I've driven them all.
With the base, You'll be able to rev more and push the car closer to it's limits without going TOO much over the speed limit. For example, on the S, in order to enjoy it you will be going like 60-65mph on a 45mph road. That's too fast, whereas in a humble base, it's around 50-55 ish, just right.
The 992 is so fast that even the base is faster than a 991.2 4S. Even when pulling on the highway it feels like a 991.1 Turbo that's how much power you have.
You cannot really discern the .3 or whatever from 0-60-100 in a base or the S. You will be around 80-85 mph when an S will give you 100+.
On US highways where the limit is 55-65, upon hard accelerating where it is fun, the base will be around 80-85 (under 90 threshold). You will most likely avoid any tickets since many other cars are in that range, but when you are doing 95+ you will for sure grab the attention of traffic enforcement. It was not like this in the 991.1 and 991.2 generation. Back then, the S was barely adequate. You could use the power of the GTS freely. Problem is the 992 became so much faster and smoother.
The base/pasm/spasm is similar. The base non-pasm is more suited for daily driving. It's more comfortable and relaxed. I tried the Spasm and man each bump on the road was like cracking your back. Non-pasm vs pasm, for the street I still prefer the non-pasm. To me any active suspensions versus regular coil springs detract from the naturalness. I hate feeling any lag or "calculating" so to speak, and that's also why I'm not a big fan of real-wheel steering either.
Porsche-Torque-Vectoring (Limited slip differential) is imperceptible with proper tires and regular driving, even in bad weather. It doesn't really help unless you are driving like a nut all the time, in bad weather. It's suited for the track. You don't need it. Incidentally the only time I slipped out was on a 991.2 4S with all the bells and whistles PTV/RWS/PASM etc.
The right answer is that you gotta configure the car for your specific needs.
But, objectively the setup that fits the streets and regular driving, the base setup is the most ideal. The reason why you have so many S is flat-out better than the base posts is basically because of 1) the press and 2) Defending their egos.
I've driven them all.
06-18-2021, 06:10 PM
#105
Drifting
Base is better for regular roads. Get the S for bragging rights or it's your last Porsche. Get the S if you are a track lover.
With the base, You'll be able to rev more and push the car closer to it's limits without going TOO much over the speed limit. For example, on the S, in order to enjoy it you will be going like 60-65mph on a 45mph road. That's too fast, whereas in a humble base, it's around 50-55 ish, just right.
The 992 is so fast that even the base is faster than a 991.2 4S. Even when pulling on the highway it feels like a 991.1 Turbo that's how much power you have.
You cannot really discern the .3 or whatever from 0-60-100 in a base or the S. You will be around 80-85 mph when an S will give you 100+.
On US highways where the limit is 55-65, upon hard accelerating where it is fun, the base will be around 80-85 (under 90 threshold). You will most likely avoid any tickets since many other cars are in that range, but when you are doing 95+ you will for sure grab the attention of traffic enforcement. It was not like this in the 991.1 and 991.2 generation. Back then, the S was barely adequate. You could use the power of the GTS freely. Problem is the 992 became so much faster and smoother.
The base/pasm/spasm is similar. The base non-pasm is more suited for daily driving. It's more comfortable and relaxed. I tried the Spasm and man each bump on the road was like cracking your back. Non-pasm vs pasm, for the street I still prefer the non-pasm. To me any active suspensions versus regular coil springs detract from the naturalness. I hate feeling any lag or "calculating" so to speak, and that's also why I'm not a big fan of real-wheel steering either.
Porsche-Torque-Vectoring (Limited slip differential) is imperceptible with proper tires and regular driving, even in bad weather. It doesn't really help unless you are driving like a nut all the time, in bad weather. It's suited for the track. You don't need it. Incidentally the only time I slipped out was on a 991.2 4S with all the bells and whistles PTV/RWS/PASM etc.
The right answer is that you gotta configure the car for your specific needs.
But, objectively the setup that fits the streets and regular driving, the base setup is the most ideal. The reason why you have so many S is flat-out better than the base posts is basically because of 1) the press and 2) Defending their egos.
I've driven them all.
With the base, You'll be able to rev more and push the car closer to it's limits without going TOO much over the speed limit. For example, on the S, in order to enjoy it you will be going like 60-65mph on a 45mph road. That's too fast, whereas in a humble base, it's around 50-55 ish, just right.
The 992 is so fast that even the base is faster than a 991.2 4S. Even when pulling on the highway it feels like a 991.1 Turbo that's how much power you have.
You cannot really discern the .3 or whatever from 0-60-100 in a base or the S. You will be around 80-85 mph when an S will give you 100+.
On US highways where the limit is 55-65, upon hard accelerating where it is fun, the base will be around 80-85 (under 90 threshold). You will most likely avoid any tickets since many other cars are in that range, but when you are doing 95+ you will for sure grab the attention of traffic enforcement. It was not like this in the 991.1 and 991.2 generation. Back then, the S was barely adequate. You could use the power of the GTS freely. Problem is the 992 became so much faster and smoother.
The base/pasm/spasm is similar. The base non-pasm is more suited for daily driving. It's more comfortable and relaxed. I tried the Spasm and man each bump on the road was like cracking your back. Non-pasm vs pasm, for the street I still prefer the non-pasm. To me any active suspensions versus regular coil springs detract from the naturalness. I hate feeling any lag or "calculating" so to speak, and that's also why I'm not a big fan of real-wheel steering either.
Porsche-Torque-Vectoring (Limited slip differential) is imperceptible with proper tires and regular driving, even in bad weather. It doesn't really help unless you are driving like a nut all the time, in bad weather. It's suited for the track. You don't need it. Incidentally the only time I slipped out was on a 991.2 4S with all the bells and whistles PTV/RWS/PASM etc.
The right answer is that you gotta configure the car for your specific needs.
But, objectively the setup that fits the streets and regular driving, the base setup is the most ideal. The reason why you have so many S is flat-out better than the base posts is basically because of 1) the press and 2) Defending their egos.
I've driven them all.
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