992 Base Carrera or Carrera S
02-23-2021, 08:56 AM
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02-23-2021, 12:55 PM
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02-23-2021, 05:21 PM
#52
This C2 vs C2S discussion reminds me of this old Jalopnik article about Turbo and Turbo S. The same sort of can also be said abut Carrera vs Carrera S.
https://jalopnik.com/how-porsche-cre...lem-1566542551
"So the problem is that the S isn't really a faster, more compromised version of the Turbo; the regular turbo is just a slower version of the Turbo S. Thanks to the Turbo S, there is no distinct reason for the regular Turbo to exist other than as a budget version of its 'S' big brother. The Turbo is now a $151,100 budget car compared to the $182,700 S. I do love the absurdity of Porsche's model lineup.
Put another way, this Turbo vs Turbo S similarity means that everyone buying a Turbo is just telling the world 'I only bought this Turbo because I can't afford a Turbo S.' It means that the Turbo S becomes, in effect, a regular Turbo and the regular Turbo becomes a Turbo Slower. A Turbo ****ty."
https://jalopnik.com/how-porsche-cre...lem-1566542551
"So the problem is that the S isn't really a faster, more compromised version of the Turbo; the regular turbo is just a slower version of the Turbo S. Thanks to the Turbo S, there is no distinct reason for the regular Turbo to exist other than as a budget version of its 'S' big brother. The Turbo is now a $151,100 budget car compared to the $182,700 S. I do love the absurdity of Porsche's model lineup.
Put another way, this Turbo vs Turbo S similarity means that everyone buying a Turbo is just telling the world 'I only bought this Turbo because I can't afford a Turbo S.' It means that the Turbo S becomes, in effect, a regular Turbo and the regular Turbo becomes a Turbo Slower. A Turbo ****ty."
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02-23-2021, 06:18 PM
#53
I thought that anyone buying a Turbo or Turbo S really cared more about speed, bragging rights, and most definitely had more money than they really need. Not that some of these don't apply to C2 through C4S buyers. Because if you buy a Turbo, you are willing to forego the third pedal. I might go nuts with options and possibly go for the 4S over the S if money wasn't any sort of consideration, but I still wouldn't buy a Turbo S.
As to that argument of buying the base Carrera vs. the S is like saying I can't afford the S. I would certainly buy a base Carrera, especially since some say the S is almost too fast to enjoy before you are speeding, but the base has no manual option. If it did and I bought it, is it saying I can't afford an S, or just that I didn't want to go that route. Now I see by your quotes, that the affordability argument is not yours, you are simply saying someone else has.
As to that argument of buying the base Carrera vs. the S is like saying I can't afford the S. I would certainly buy a base Carrera, especially since some say the S is almost too fast to enjoy before you are speeding, but the base has no manual option. If it did and I bought it, is it saying I can't afford an S, or just that I didn't want to go that route. Now I see by your quotes, that the affordability argument is not yours, you are simply saying someone else has.
02-23-2021, 06:32 PM
#54
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This C2 vs C2S discussion reminds me of this old Jalopnik article about Turbo and Turbo S. The same sort of can also be said abut Carrera vs Carrera S.
https://jalopnik.com/how-porsche-cre...lem-1566542551
"So the problem is that the S isn't really a faster, more compromised version of the Turbo; the regular turbo is just a slower version of the Turbo S. Thanks to the Turbo S, there is no distinct reason for the regular Turbo to exist other than as a budget version of its 'S' big brother. The Turbo is now a $151,100 budget car compared to the $182,700 S. I do love the absurdity of Porsche's model lineup.
Put another way, this Turbo vs Turbo S similarity means that everyone buying a Turbo is just telling the world 'I only bought this Turbo because I can't afford a Turbo S.' It means that the Turbo S becomes, in effect, a regular Turbo and the regular Turbo becomes a Turbo Slower. A Turbo ****ty."
https://jalopnik.com/how-porsche-cre...lem-1566542551
"So the problem is that the S isn't really a faster, more compromised version of the Turbo; the regular turbo is just a slower version of the Turbo S. Thanks to the Turbo S, there is no distinct reason for the regular Turbo to exist other than as a budget version of its 'S' big brother. The Turbo is now a $151,100 budget car compared to the $182,700 S. I do love the absurdity of Porsche's model lineup.
Put another way, this Turbo vs Turbo S similarity means that everyone buying a Turbo is just telling the world 'I only bought this Turbo because I can't afford a Turbo S.' It means that the Turbo S becomes, in effect, a regular Turbo and the regular Turbo becomes a Turbo Slower. A Turbo ****ty."
I tend to think of the S variants of both the Carrera and the Turbo as nothing more than options packs and like all other options not everyone wants them or needs them regardless of budget.
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02-23-2021, 08:54 PM
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I thought that anyone buying a Turbo or Turbo S really cared more about speed, bragging rights, and most definitely had more money than they really need. Not that some of these don't apply to C2 through C4S buyers. Because if you buy a Turbo, you are willing to forego the third pedal. I might go nuts with options and possibly go for the 4S over the S if money wasn't any sort of consideration, but I still wouldn't buy a Turbo S.
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02-24-2021, 12:16 AM
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Honestly, the only folks who can tell the difference between: a Carrera, a Carrera S, a Turbo and a Turbo S are other current and/or past Porsche owners . . . . and even then . . .. . . .
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02-24-2021, 12:40 AM
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A lot of it also has to come to your level of expectations out of your car. For many folks coming out of high powered AMG or BMW M models tend to be satisfied with the S models and upwards. I remember feeling underwhelmed when I first drove the Carrera T. It took the S/4S to offer the level of acceleration I was accustomed to and expecting out of a newer 911.
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02-24-2021, 02:02 AM
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This C2 vs C2S discussion reminds me of this old Jalopnik article about Turbo and Turbo S. The same sort of can also be said abut Carrera vs Carrera S.
https://jalopnik.com/how-porsche-cre...lem-1566542551
"So the problem is that the S isn't really a faster, more compromised version of the Turbo; the regular turbo is just a slower version of the Turbo S. Thanks to the Turbo S, there is no distinct reason for the regular Turbo to exist other than as a budget version of its 'S' big brother. The Turbo is now a $151,100 budget car compared to the $182,700 S. I do love the absurdity of Porsche's model lineup.
Put another way, this Turbo vs Turbo S similarity means that everyone buying a Turbo is just telling the world 'I only bought this Turbo because I can't afford a Turbo S.' It means that the Turbo S becomes, in effect, a regular Turbo and the regular Turbo becomes a Turbo Slower. A Turbo ****ty."
https://jalopnik.com/how-porsche-cre...lem-1566542551
"So the problem is that the S isn't really a faster, more compromised version of the Turbo; the regular turbo is just a slower version of the Turbo S. Thanks to the Turbo S, there is no distinct reason for the regular Turbo to exist other than as a budget version of its 'S' big brother. The Turbo is now a $151,100 budget car compared to the $182,700 S. I do love the absurdity of Porsche's model lineup.
Put another way, this Turbo vs Turbo S similarity means that everyone buying a Turbo is just telling the world 'I only bought this Turbo because I can't afford a Turbo S.' It means that the Turbo S becomes, in effect, a regular Turbo and the regular Turbo becomes a Turbo Slower. A Turbo ****ty."
02-24-2021, 07:39 AM
#60
This C2 vs C2S discussion reminds me of this old Jalopnik article about Turbo and Turbo S. The same sort of can also be said abut Carrera vs Carrera S.
https://jalopnik.com/how-porsche-cre...lem-1566542551
"So the problem is that the S isn't really a faster, more compromised version of the Turbo; the regular turbo is just a slower version of the Turbo S. Thanks to the Turbo S, there is no distinct reason for the regular Turbo to exist other than as a budget version of its 'S' big brother. The Turbo is now a $151,100 budget car compared to the $182,700 S. I do love the absurdity of Porsche's model lineup.
Put another way, this Turbo vs Turbo S similarity means that everyone buying a Turbo is just telling the world 'I only bought this Turbo because I can't afford a Turbo S.' It means that the Turbo S becomes, in effect, a regular Turbo and the regular Turbo becomes a Turbo Slower. A Turbo ****ty."
https://jalopnik.com/how-porsche-cre...lem-1566542551
"So the problem is that the S isn't really a faster, more compromised version of the Turbo; the regular turbo is just a slower version of the Turbo S. Thanks to the Turbo S, there is no distinct reason for the regular Turbo to exist other than as a budget version of its 'S' big brother. The Turbo is now a $151,100 budget car compared to the $182,700 S. I do love the absurdity of Porsche's model lineup.
Put another way, this Turbo vs Turbo S similarity means that everyone buying a Turbo is just telling the world 'I only bought this Turbo because I can't afford a Turbo S.' It means that the Turbo S becomes, in effect, a regular Turbo and the regular Turbo becomes a Turbo Slower. A Turbo ****ty."
I first signed up for a Turbo, thinking I'd get a budget build. Next thing I knew it was ballooning near TTS levels, so I switched to a TTS with the idea that I'd keep it low. That didn't work out.
The average TT build is ~$190k. The average TTS build is ~$230k. Those numbers are about right. If someone has the discipline to keeping their TT build at/under $180k, it starts to make a lot of sense. But it only makes sense if you are 100% happy with that build. If you are making major concessions to hit that budget - it's not worth it and the TTS is the way to go. Just my experience.
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