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Old 01-30-2020, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by limegreen
I agree 100% that Porsche should have offered a manual transmission in the base car and I made some similar noise about it in another thread months back.

Porsche,along with the PDK sellouts should be ashamed of themselves as this is nothing but a pathetic ploy to force buyers into their more profitable S models or whichever "special" addition they choose to offer one in later on.
I have PDK on my ED C4, and I am not ashamed in any way.
Old 01-30-2020, 01:39 PM
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While we're doing petitions, I'd also like a 912T variant w/:
  • 718's turbo 4
  • a 6-speed manual
  • passenger side rear mirror delete
  • the plaid cloth fully-manual seats out of this very same company's GTI hatchback

*I'm going to add this in case Porsche ever actually reads this: Contrary to recent practices, this wouldn't be a limited edition that would go for $180,000 and only be sold at dealer mark-ups to special customers, it would actually be less money than a 911
Old 01-30-2020, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by gcurnew
I have PDK on my ED C4, and I am not ashamed in any way.

That should depend on whether or not you believe in the current practice of limiting the manual transmission option to the S model.
Old 01-30-2020, 01:50 PM
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I do agree they should at least offer it. With all the options across the range making most builds pretty unique it's incredibly hard to see how they could not have accommodated a base manual as well.
Old 01-30-2020, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by aggie57
I do agree they should at least offer it. With all the options across the range making most builds pretty unique it's incredibly hard to see how they could not have accommodated a base manual as well.
Pretty sure it's just driven by Marketing.
Old 01-30-2020, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Pretty sure it's just driven by Marketing.
Agreed.. I probably still would have picked a Carrera S but it would have been nice to have the option to choose a base Carrera. PDK is a non starter for me.

That said, I don't know if a petition would have any impact on Porsche's behavior. Money talks and sadly it seems the tides have turned against manuals for 90+% of buyers so a small vocal minority isn't really a big deal for Porsche and they (along with all the other auto manufacturers) will keep on the path to killing off the manual.
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Originally Posted by RudyP
Agreed.. I probably still would have picked a Carrera S but it would have been nice to have the option to choose a base Carrera. PDK is a non starter for me.

That said, I don't know if a petition would have any impact on Porsche's behavior. Money talks and sadly it seems the tides have turned against manuals for 90+% of buyers so a small vocal minority isn't really a big deal for Porsche and they (along with all the other auto manufacturers) will keep on the path to killing off the manual.
I'm not as pessimistic as you about Porsche killing the Manual. Look at all the Manual-only (for now) models recently released: GT4, Spyder, GTS 4.0 Cayman, GTS 4.0 Boxster, 911 Speedster, GT3 Touring, etc. Seems like a golden age for fun Manuals to me. I think the forthcoming 992 911T will be even more driver-focused than the previous one too.
Old 01-30-2020, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Chaidell
My post was not meant to stir up a manual vs PDK debate. The PDK is superior, and paddle shifting is a great compromise. However, I just enjoy the analog feeling of a manual car. I also think it’s unfair to force someone that wants a manual into an S, when I highly doubt there is anything to gain regarding production line efficiencies.
If you’re aiming to gather signatories to your letter, you might do better with a link to an on-line petition. You could try this: https://www.ipetitions.com/start-petition
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Old 01-30-2020, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RudyP
Agreed.. I probably still would have picked a Carrera S but it would have been nice to have the option to choose a base Carrera. PDK is a non starter for me.

That said, I don't know if a petition would have any impact on Porsche's behavior. Money talks and sadly it seems the tides have turned against manuals for 90+% of buyers so a small vocal minority isn't really a big deal for Porsche and they (along with all the other auto manufacturers) will keep on the path to killing off the manual.
Same here. My first 997 was a base, I had buyers regret straight away and traded up to an S within months.
Old 01-30-2020, 02:23 PM
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While you’re at it, have them give up on the 30/31” wheel fetish as well.
Please.
I’ll be interested if they offer a base true 6 speed MT that doesn’t strip away all the insulation and save 0.1 ounce by having fabric loops instead of actual door handles.
And offer all other options and colors on the “regular” option list.
Not holding my breath. So, not a buyer for a 992 (yet).
Old 01-30-2020, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by limegreen
That should depend on whether or not you believe in the current practice of limiting the manual transmission option to the S model.
Want a manual? Buy an S or wait to see if you can get a 7-speed base somewhere down the road. I'd like LWB seats in my C4 but they're not available, and PSE with the 4-pipe round tips instead of the two ovals. I'd also like Sport Chrono without the wart. The first might happen somewhere down the line with a 992 T; the other "wants" are clearly my preferences, and I can hold my breath until I'm green and Porsche almost certainly won't allow me to configure a car that way.

Porsche builds what it builds, and sells what it wants. Wait for the 7-speed in the base, or get it in an S. Buy or don't; your choice. While you're waiting, this "sellout" will be enjoying his C4 with PDK (and maybe looking for a 6-speed 2018 4-pot 718 GTS, which is my view is a better platform for a manual gearbox than any non-GT 992).
Old 01-30-2020, 02:58 PM
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Just spent some time in a 992 4S with 20/21s and PDK (of course…) and must I am very, very curious to try a 992 on 19s/20s with a 7MT. I have a hunch I would prefer it.

Don't get me wrong…the 992 4S is fabulously powerful and seriously quick in all situations, but I am not sure I need so much performance in a 911 for the street—and the 21s in the rear have some downsides in terms of ride and noise even on decent road surfaces. Increasingly, I am after experience > performance. A little less power, a 7MT, and taller sidewalls might really make for an appealing package. Thing is, the only way I can see to try said 992 is to configure an S or 4S with a 7MT and then head over to the parts counter for a 19/20 wheel & summer tire set.
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Old 05-06-2020, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by stout
Just spent some time in a 992 4S with 20/21s and PDK (of course…) and must I am very, very curious to try a 992 on 19s/20s with a 7MT. I have a hunch I would prefer it.

Don't get me wrong…the 992 4S is fabulously powerful and seriously quick in all situations, but I am not sure I need so much performance in a 911 for the street—and the 21s in the rear have some downsides in terms of ride and noise even on decent road surfaces. Increasingly, I am after experience > performance. A little less power, a 7MT, and taller sidewalls might really make for an appealing package. Thing is, the only way I can see to try said 992 is to configure an S or 4S with a 7MT and then head over to the parts counter for a 19/20 wheel & summer tire set.
Pete, you don't think there will be a 992 C2 with 7MT? Totally agree about experience > performance.

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Old 05-07-2020, 06:22 AM
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I'm with you. If they have to offer MT on only one of the base/s model, it should be the base not S
Old 05-07-2020, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Yc911Kid
I'm with you. If they have to offer MT on only one of the base/s model, it should be the base not S

So glad you are not in the options department at Porsche!

LOVE MY S 7MT!!!!
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