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The gearing on the 992 manual transmission is much taller, so it is not like the Carrera T in that regard. I am going to see if I can shoot a video of the driving in the 992 MT to give you all a flavor from a first person POV standpoint.
do you know the gearing on the 992 7mt? I actually haven’t seen the ratios or final drive disclosed, would love to see how they’ve been changed from my 991.2.
I like the minimalist idea. It also adds a retro element. Trying similar theme on my build PLXA1Q43
I like this build a lot, And love people that keep it simple, more so in terms of weight/character than price (it’s just different degrees of very expensive after all!).
One thing I might object to, I personally don’t really like the comfort access implementation (ie door handles that seem to work so slowly you might as well get the remote out, and a keyless frunk they only opens when you wash your car), but if you feel differently about the way it works wonderful, it’s not expensive obviously.
I have never driven the GT3, but I don't doubt that its gear box is better along with its glorious 4.0L flat-six. I can't afford one at this point but I am happy with my 17 Carrera for now. I think it might be more comfortable for a DD which mine is and is my only car, though if I could afford a .1 or .2 GT3 I would gladly put up with harsher ride quality for the privilege of owning such a beautiful and classy P-Car. Id have mine with the touring package in British racing green with a tan interior and the LWB.
Heard they may not bring the manual to the 992 base....is that correct? If so bummer in that is just forces you into the S or higher models. Why? Manual was avail for the 991.1 and 991.2 for all models.
That is correct, my guess is it is marketing and possibly leaving room for a ”purist” Carrera like the Carrera T. I think it is a shame because IMO the manual fits well with the Carreras ethos and smaller turbos. You can always go for a cpo 991.2 or a carrera T though.
That is correct, my guess is it is marketing and possibly leaving room for a ”purist” Carrera like the Carrera T. I think it is a shame because IMO the manual fits well with the Carreras ethos and smaller turbos. You can always go for a cpo 991.2 or a carrera T though.
I currently have a 991.1 Carrera S so am trying to determine if the base or the Carrera S 992 is worth the upgrade. Find it difficult to see the move to 991.2 which I could get in manual given the cost of a 991.2 GTS or T which would be what you would suggest. Client advisor says the 2020 992 is such an upgrade from my 2013 991.1 S that either car base or S would be a noticeable difference. Only thing becomes I do want to move back to a manual which seems to rule out the base unless the introduce the manual to the car which as you note is not planned thru FY21 or I hear FY22 model years and won't see the next manual till the 992 Carrera T or Carrera GTS show up in 2022 or 2023. Maybe a base manual Carrera will show up as a 992.2 model? Does that track what others are hearing?
I currently have a 991.1 Carrera S so am trying to determine if the base or the Carrera S 992 is worth the upgrade. Find it difficult to see the move to 991.2 which I could get in manual given the cost of a 991.2 GTS or T which would be what you would suggest. Client advisor says the 2020 992 is such an upgrade from my 2013 991.1 S that either car base or S would be a noticeable difference. Only thing becomes I do want to move back to a manual which seems to rule out the base unless the introduce the manual to the car which as you note is not planned thru FY21 or I hear FY22 model years and won't see the next manual till the 992 Carrera T or Carrera GTS show up in 2022 or 2023. Maybe a base manual Carrera will show up as a 992.2 model? Does that track what others are hearing?
My SA said they T is coming in 2023. I have a ‘17 991.2 MT and my ‘20 C2S MT just came off the production line. I bit the bullet. Whatever you do, don’t take one for a test drive. It will suck you in. The driving dynamics are noticeably improved and the homage to classic 911’s inside and out makes you feel the direct connection to the heritage.
BTW, I test drove a ‘16 991 C2S with PowerPack and the 991.2 C2 and chose the C2.
Think of it like this, there’s just a Carrera, but Porsche likes to staple the manual option to a little HP bump and bigger brakes and SC, later they’ll do a T and staple the manual option to the sports suspension and loud muffler and “lightweight glass”. Either way they’re going to make you buy over $10,000 of options if you want our coveted manual.
Heard they may not bring the manual to the 992 base....is that correct? If so bummer in that is just forces you into the S or higher models. Why? Manual was avail for the 991.1 and 991.2 for all models.
As much as I hate to say it, Porsche is one of few manufacturers that understand that MTs are the choice of enthusiasts who will pay for what they want.
As MTs trended out of the American market, many manufacturers continued to offer them only on base models, as if people were still buying them to save money (and would've bought an AT if they could've afford it). Of course, that was all wrong and was a self-fulfilling prophecy dooming MTs in the US. Porsche, a master marketer, understands that those of us who want an MT will pay for it, so they're forcing us to spend more for the S model. I'll bet there's a significant number of 992 MT buyers who purchased up to the S only to get an MT. And I'll bet that there are few to no buyers who didn't buy a 992 because they couldn't get an MT in the base model. So I gotta give credit where it's due.
As much as I hate to say it, Porsche is one of few manufacturers that understand that MTs are the choice of enthusiasts who will pay for what they want.
As MTs trended out of the American market, many manufacturers continued to offer them only on base models, as if people were still buying them to save money (and would've bought an AT if they could've afford it). Of course, that was all wrong and was a self-fulfilling prophecy dooming MTs in the US. Porsche, a master marketer, understands that those of us who want an MT will pay for it, so they're forcing us to spend more for the S model. I'll bet there's a significant number of 992 MT buyers who purchased up to the S only to get an MT. And I'll bet that there are few to no buyers who didn't buy a 992 because they couldn't get an MT in the base model. So I gotta give credit where it's due.
Well put. I also think that maybe something about their efficiency targets has them wanting to make sure that manuals don’t make up too much of the mix, which is why they might offer it on fewer models, at higher price points etc.
If both might be right, then I would suggest that Porsche could solve all potential conflicts by offering the 7mt in the base Carrera as part of a differentiated options package, for example, instead of the sport-oriented one it comes in w the S (I.e. w SC), maybe they could put it with a “theme package” with say a handful of dedicated and interesting colors, maybe package-specific wheels, full leather interior and some other premium niceities. They’d make sure to get the price up that way, It would be a niche offering, and it wouldn’t even dent the appeal of a potential T model w more sporty options.
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