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07-28-2019, 05:57 PM
#32
07-28-2019, 08:31 PM
#34
You misunderstood me. I like having the 7th gear. It's great for highway cruising, and I tend to do a lot of that because my car is mostly a daily driver. My other point was that if you consider a 7th gear a waste, a 6th gear might also be considered a waste. Also, I'm still trying to figure out why someone who likes to drive a manual would switch to a PDK just because the manual has a 7th gear that you deem unnecessary. And, by the way, that PDK has 7 gears. I grew up driving 4 speeds. They worked just fine, as did the 5 speeds, 6 speeds and now 7 speeds in my subsequent cars.
07-28-2019, 09:40 PM
#35
07-28-2019, 09:54 PM
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It's not on the US configurator or the German configurator. When it does become available, it will be under the performance section for the US or Transmission/chassis section for ROW.
07-30-2019, 02:36 PM
#37
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Of course no one is going to order a manual when you start making it a silly 7-speed that no one asked for.
If the choice is between a proper 6 speed and a PDK? 6-speed every time.
If the choice is between a goofy 7-speed and a PDK? PDK.
I won't say the GT3, GT4, or Spyder are proof on this point but it's ridiculous how they give you this half-assed manual and use it to claim no one wants it.
If the choice is between a proper 6 speed and a PDK? 6-speed every time.
If the choice is between a goofy 7-speed and a PDK? PDK.
I won't say the GT3, GT4, or Spyder are proof on this point but it's ridiculous how they give you this half-assed manual and use it to claim no one wants it.
07-30-2019, 11:14 PM
#38
Drifting
Of course no one is going to order a manual when you start making it a silly 7-speed that no one asked for.
If the choice is between a proper 6 speed and a PDK? 6-speed every time.
If the choice is between a goofy 7-speed and a PDK? PDK.
I won't say the GT3, GT4, or Spyder are proof on this point but it's ridiculous how they give you this half-assed manual and use it to claim no one wants it.
If the choice is between a proper 6 speed and a PDK? 6-speed every time.
If the choice is between a goofy 7-speed and a PDK? PDK.
I won't say the GT3, GT4, or Spyder are proof on this point but it's ridiculous how they give you this half-assed manual and use it to claim no one wants it.
God bless,
TT
07-31-2019, 04:14 AM
#39
Off the top of your head do you know what revs you're at when going ~70mph?
07-31-2019, 07:51 AM
#40
On the same hand, there's numerous people - myself included - who would choose the automatic over the 7-speed in-spite of how good it supposedly is.
The 7-speed isn't for driver enjoyment or raw performance - it's for the bean-counters and their CO2 / fuel consumption ratings.
I'm happy to hear that it's still a good transmission and you're enjoying it in-spite of that fact. However, my point remains, I believe Porsche is selling less manual transmission cars than they would if a 6-speed was offered. On their best performing cars they only offer the 6-speed. If I'm wrong, why is that?
07-31-2019, 08:34 AM
#41
Of course no one is going to order a manual when you start making it a silly 7-speed that no one asked for.
If the choice is between a proper 6 speed and a PDK? 6-speed every time.
If the choice is between a goofy 7-speed and a PDK? PDK.
I won't say the GT3, GT4, or Spyder are proof on this point but it's ridiculous how they give you this half-assed manual and use it to claim no one wants it.
If the choice is between a proper 6 speed and a PDK? 6-speed every time.
If the choice is between a goofy 7-speed and a PDK? PDK.
I won't say the GT3, GT4, or Spyder are proof on this point but it's ridiculous how they give you this half-assed manual and use it to claim no one wants it.
07-31-2019, 08:56 AM
#42
I'm pretty sure there's almost no one on the planet who wants a manual transmission and would choose an automatic instead were a 7-speed not available and a 6-speed was all that was offered.
On the same hand, there's numerous people - myself included - who would choose the automatic over the 7-speed in-spite of how good it supposedly is.
The 7-speed isn't for driver enjoyment or raw performance - it's for the bean-counters and their CO2 / fuel consumption ratings.
I'm happy to hear that it's still a good transmission and you're enjoying it in-spite of that fact. However, my point remains, I believe Porsche is selling less manual transmission cars than they would if a 6-speed was offered. On their best performing cars they only offer the 6-speed. If I'm wrong, why is that?
On the same hand, there's numerous people - myself included - who would choose the automatic over the 7-speed in-spite of how good it supposedly is.
The 7-speed isn't for driver enjoyment or raw performance - it's for the bean-counters and their CO2 / fuel consumption ratings.
I'm happy to hear that it's still a good transmission and you're enjoying it in-spite of that fact. However, my point remains, I believe Porsche is selling less manual transmission cars than they would if a 6-speed was offered. On their best performing cars they only offer the 6-speed. If I'm wrong, why is that?
"the bean counters and the CO2 ratings" is related to environment restrictions by the law to minimize the impact in the long term... and thats good for you and good for the environment, they push the engineers to create things that can be enjoyed and have great performance but also more efficient!
The reason why the "GT" cars have a 6 speed manual is due to the fact they were designed to handle bigger amounts of torque, simple as that, and those transmissions are very different compared to a 6 speed MT from a 718 for instance. I am pretty sure they are working on a 7 speed manual capable of handling "GT" amounts of torque and rpm to meet future regulations, more efficient, but enjoyable as well.
BTW: torque and speed (rpm) is what can break the inner mechanical elements of the transmission, so this is closely designed for a type of engine. When a new engine with high-rpm, high-torque is designed usually a matching transmission is designed as well.
Point made. If I have an option I will choose 6 speed as well, second option will be a 7 speed MT over a PDK... 7 speeds MT are not goofy or for the bean counters, that would be like saying "PDK is lame and only for people who don't know how to drive with 3 pedals".
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07-31-2019, 09:12 AM
#43
Its called efficiency, and thanks to efficiency research and development we have the toys of today, else we will be in the age of aircooled engines..
"the bean counters and the CO2 ratings" is related to environment restrictions by the law to minimize the impact in the long term... and thats good for you and good for the environment, they push the engineers to create things that can be enjoyed and have great performance but also more efficient!
The reason why the "GT" cars have a 6 speed manual is due to the fact they were designed to handle bigger amounts of torque, simple as that, and those transmissions are very different compared to a 6 speed MT from a 718 for instance. I am pretty sure they are working on a 7 speed manual capable of handling "GT" amounts of torque and rpm to meet future regulations, more efficient, but enjoyable as well.
BTW: torque and speed (rpm) is what can break the inner mechanical elements of the transmission, so this is closely designed for a type of engine. When a new engine with high-rpm, high-torque is designed usually a matching transmission is designed as well.
Point made. If I have an option I will choose 6 speed as well, second option will be a 7 speed MT over a PDK... 7 speeds MT are not goofy or for the bean counters, that would be like saying "PDK is lame and only for people who don't know how to drive with 3 pedals".
"the bean counters and the CO2 ratings" is related to environment restrictions by the law to minimize the impact in the long term... and thats good for you and good for the environment, they push the engineers to create things that can be enjoyed and have great performance but also more efficient!
The reason why the "GT" cars have a 6 speed manual is due to the fact they were designed to handle bigger amounts of torque, simple as that, and those transmissions are very different compared to a 6 speed MT from a 718 for instance. I am pretty sure they are working on a 7 speed manual capable of handling "GT" amounts of torque and rpm to meet future regulations, more efficient, but enjoyable as well.
BTW: torque and speed (rpm) is what can break the inner mechanical elements of the transmission, so this is closely designed for a type of engine. When a new engine with high-rpm, high-torque is designed usually a matching transmission is designed as well.
Point made. If I have an option I will choose 6 speed as well, second option will be a 7 speed MT over a PDK... 7 speeds MT are not goofy or for the bean counters, that would be like saying "PDK is lame and only for people who don't know how to drive with 3 pedals".
Quit pretending that a few more grams of CO2 are going to save the world and telling me what's good for me. I'm perfectly capable of deciding that for myself - thanks. If I gave a **** about a few grams of CO2 I'd drive a Tesla.
" I am pretty sure they are working on a 7 speed manual capable of handling "GT" amounts of torque and rpm to meet future regulations"
Nothing would have stopped them from already doing so. You understand that the 7-speed transmission, at least in original flavor, was developed prior to the current GT3 6-speed right?
Further, you said it yourself - you'd prefer a 6-speed. So what are you even attempting to argue here? That there's not some percentage of customers turned off by the 7-speed who are foregoing it completely? I did it with my 991.1 C2S purchase already.
07-31-2019, 09:25 AM
#44
The manual T has different gear ratios than the manual base Carrera. The manual T has the same gear ratios as the manual S and GTS.