MT in 992
08-13-2019, 08:03 PM
#106
I'm with you Lime and as I have said before I waited to see the 992 before I ordered my .2 GTS since I did not like what I saw, and have seen in person. And I always thought Porsche would continue to offer a MT across the line, and I hope I am not wrong but if so it is a sad time in the life of the 911 - take rates be damned!
For gods sake they will paint a car any color you want based on a sample you provide.
Tell me what does PTS do for "production efficiency" that is any more or less difficult than adding an MT that they already have bolted to the same engine in an "S" model?
08-13-2019, 08:14 PM
#107
Rennlist Member
There is something infuriating about a company which encourages every new car to be customized right down to the color of the damn seat belts not even providing a cost option to spec a transmission that is readily available.
For gods sake they will paint a car any color you want based on a sample you provide.
Tell me what does PTS do for "production efficiency" that is any more or less difficult than adding an MT that they already have bolted to the same engine in an "S" model?
For gods sake they will paint a car any color you want based on a sample you provide.
Tell me what does PTS do for "production efficiency" that is any more or less difficult than adding an MT that they already have bolted to the same engine in an "S" model?
I agree, though, it makes no sense to offer a manual on the S model but not on the base. Should be the opposite, if they are going to force the choice at all.
08-13-2019, 10:18 PM
#108
Drifting
Limegreen - They also make a mint with PTS. $13,000 for a paint job (and not even a very good paint job, in my case) is a ton-o-cash. For them to offer the MT across the board on the Carrera line is inefficient at the factory and probably not worth the headache, given the low take rate on the MT. Again, I am not saying I agree with the decision but I can see why they perhaps chose to limit the MT offerings in the Carrera lineup. It's only a matter of time and it will not be an option at all on the Carrera, I am afraid. I do think that there was enough blowback from the PDK-only 991.1 GT3 that Porsche realized that the GT purists will demand an MT offering in the GT3, for the foreseeable future, anyway.
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08-14-2019, 10:07 AM
#111
So last week, I wrote to Porsche USA via their website in regards to the MT availability. I specifically stated that it is a must have for me and I was hoping to get some sort of confirmation one way or the other if it will be available because if they decide not to bring it, I would still have an opportunity to get a leftover MT 991 sitting on a dealers lot. This was the response:
From: "Customer Relations US" <info@porsche.us>
Date: August 5, 2019 at 1:35:50 PM CDT
To: <XXXXXXXX>
Subject: Regarding your Porsche 911 Inquiry
Date: August 5, 2019 at 1:35:50 PM CDT
To: <XXXXXXXX>
Subject: Regarding your Porsche 911 Inquiry
Dear James,
Thank you for taking the time to contact Porsche Cars North America and for your interest in the new 911!
Although the media has announced that Porsche plans to produce the 2020 911 Carrera models with an available manual transmission option, there have not been any official announcements from Porsche Germany. Please be advised that available options, features, and specifications for every model are subject to change at any time, and we recommend that you continue to visit the car configurator tool on our website for any changes and updates on the available options. We also encourage you to register on our Porsche Press website, to receive the latest product news and press releases from Porsche Cars North America.
Again, thank you for taking the time to contact us with your interest in the Porsche brand and for allowing me the opportunity to respond, I hope that you have a great rest of your day!
Best regards,
Lennon S.
Customer Experience Specialist
Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
One Porsche Drive
Atlanta, GA 30354
Phone: 1-800-PORSCHE (1-800-767-7243)
Email: customer.commitment@porsche.us
Thank you for taking the time to contact Porsche Cars North America and for your interest in the new 911!
Although the media has announced that Porsche plans to produce the 2020 911 Carrera models with an available manual transmission option, there have not been any official announcements from Porsche Germany. Please be advised that available options, features, and specifications for every model are subject to change at any time, and we recommend that you continue to visit the car configurator tool on our website for any changes and updates on the available options. We also encourage you to register on our Porsche Press website, to receive the latest product news and press releases from Porsche Cars North America.
Again, thank you for taking the time to contact us with your interest in the Porsche brand and for allowing me the opportunity to respond, I hope that you have a great rest of your day!
Best regards,
Lennon S.
Customer Experience Specialist
Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
One Porsche Drive
Atlanta, GA 30354
Phone: 1-800-PORSCHE (1-800-767-7243)
Email: customer.commitment@porsche.us
08-14-2019, 10:10 AM
#112
Rennlist Member
hello everybody
right now in Germany rumours are no MT also for the base Carrera , 992 will show real pipes and MT 1st whit the GT3 in Frankfurt 2020 , so if you really want to be a purist , or a cool old school guy , find 200.000 before start the countdown ... crazy !
big wall is coming between Carrera drivers and GT "purist" vips .... ,
my opinion , central console as all the 992 project is not a good place for the MT stick , look to me as a photomontage , the 992 size and interiors are looking straight to the hybryd setup , MT on the 992 is like the MT on the Cayenne , no sense anymore unfortunately
right now in Germany rumours are no MT also for the base Carrera , 992 will show real pipes and MT 1st whit the GT3 in Frankfurt 2020 , so if you really want to be a purist , or a cool old school guy , find 200.000 before start the countdown ... crazy !
big wall is coming between Carrera drivers and GT "purist" vips .... ,
my opinion , central console as all the 992 project is not a good place for the MT stick , look to me as a photomontage , the 992 size and interiors are looking straight to the hybryd setup , MT on the 992 is like the MT on the Cayenne , no sense anymore unfortunately
08-14-2019, 11:26 AM
#113
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Who else sells MT? There is a reason and they are not FORCING anyone to buy anything.The world is changing. Driving MT used to be a "life skill" now our kids and grandkids will be driving electric cars. Majority of people on here are enthusiasts and many are MT fans so we will here more griping and I get that. Having said that, I'm a huge MT fan and just bought another 991.2 with MT which I will probably keep for several years now in light of this recent news. ALL of my "enthusiast" friends have PDK.......don't think I ever will but you never know.
08-14-2019, 12:37 PM
#114
Drifting
It sounds like the GT3 is going to be the car to have in the 992, given that you will have the option of the MT or the PDK with an actual, 991-style PDK gear-shifter. Puzzles me why they would offer the PDK gear shifter in the GT3 and not the Carrera. I know people are saying that it is because the Carrera is becoming more about tech and luxury but if that is the case, that flies in the face of what the 911 has always been about and that is first and foremost about being a sports car. The PDK gear shifter connects man to machine (yes, I know, electronically). The nubbin is just a #fail on so many levels.
08-14-2019, 03:39 PM
#115
It sounds like the GT3 is going to be the car to have in the 992, given that you will have the option of the MT or the PDK with an actual, 991-style PDK gear-shifter. Puzzles me why they would offer the PDK gear shifter in the GT3 and not the Carrera. I know people are saying that it is because the Carrera is becoming more about tech and luxury but if that is the case, that flies in the face of what the 911 has always been about and that is first and foremost about being a sports car. The PDK gear shifter connects man to machine (yes, I know, electronically). The nubbin is just a #fail on so many levels.
Taking the MT away from the base model is only further proof of that which uncontested will then trickle into the Boxster / Cayman lineup.
There is way too much sympathy for Porsche and their manufacturing costs and logistics on this forum. This multi billion dollar company builds customized examples of every model they offer while generating incredible profits by doing so. Custom is NEVER an efficient process and asking them to bolt up a transmission that they ALREADY have to a lower hp version of the same engine and chassis that they ALREADY have is not even close to a tall order.
I say don't drink the koolaide and be open to the fact that your being manipulated by their marketing ( profit generating) forces thus losing further control over the products that are being built for us the consumer, who should have far more control over the products we purchase than we have been allowed in recent times. Now mix that thought in with the irony of a company limiting the transmission options on the very same vehicle that they will custom build with leather covered air vents if you so choose.
08-14-2019, 04:10 PM
#116
I'd love to see the numbers on just how many 992 buyers are actually long time 911 owners because without it I disagree that it's a big portion of the customer base simply by the feedback I've been getting from long time owners.
What you call bashing is what I call healthy debating and just like politics there is no right or wrong answer and everyone has a right to express their opinions good or bad in the hopes of resonating with how others may feel which may ultimately lead to positive changes. Many of us here believe the 992 is a bad move and limiting the manual transmission to the S model is just another brick in the wall of all the bad decisions that make up the 992.
Limiting the MT to an S model isn't something that should be easily accepted by many and as a base 991 owner I take major issue with forcing buyers to add more expense for things they don't need or care about just to get something that should be made easily available considering the MT is already developed and attached to virtually an identical engine in the same chassis as the S model.
Forget the lame excuses and profit protecting buzz terms such as " take rate" that manufactures love to use these days. If you ask me it's just another evil corporate boardroom decision made to extract even more profit by forcing MT buyers into the more expensive S model.
You may not agree with me about the 992 as a whole but at least be willing to open your eyes to what Porsche is doing not only to the 911 but to their brand in general. They are literally resorting to scams to sell certain vehicle configurations in this instance.
The numbers are incredibly skewed and in my experience not only are the dealer cars PDK but many of the salespeople I've encountered seem hellbent on convincing you NOT to buy an MT.
What you call bashing is what I call healthy debating and just like politics there is no right or wrong answer and everyone has a right to express their opinions good or bad in the hopes of resonating with how others may feel which may ultimately lead to positive changes. Many of us here believe the 992 is a bad move and limiting the manual transmission to the S model is just another brick in the wall of all the bad decisions that make up the 992.
Limiting the MT to an S model isn't something that should be easily accepted by many and as a base 991 owner I take major issue with forcing buyers to add more expense for things they don't need or care about just to get something that should be made easily available considering the MT is already developed and attached to virtually an identical engine in the same chassis as the S model.
Forget the lame excuses and profit protecting buzz terms such as " take rate" that manufactures love to use these days. If you ask me it's just another evil corporate boardroom decision made to extract even more profit by forcing MT buyers into the more expensive S model.
You may not agree with me about the 992 as a whole but at least be willing to open your eyes to what Porsche is doing not only to the 911 but to their brand in general. They are literally resorting to scams to sell certain vehicle configurations in this instance.
The numbers are incredibly skewed and in my experience not only are the dealer cars PDK but many of the salespeople I've encountered seem hellbent on convincing you NOT to buy an MT.
Porsche no longer considers engaging / involved sports cars to be the staple of their brand and now have made that experience exclusive and thus available only to those with deep enough pockets to afford that GT car premium.
Taking the MT away from the base model is only further proof of that which uncontested will then trickle into the Boxster / Cayman lineup.
There is way too much sympathy for Porsche and their manufacturing costs and logistics on this forum. This multi billion dollar company builds customized examples of every model they offer while generating incredible profits by doing so. Custom is NEVER an efficient process and asking them to bolt up a transmission that they ALREADY have to a lower hp version of the same engine and chassis that they ALREADY have is not even close to a tall order.
I say don't drink the koolaide and be open to the fact that your being manipulated by their marketing ( profit generating) forces thus losing further control over the products that are being built for us the consumer, who should have far more control over the products we purchase than we have been allowed in recent times. Now mix that thought in with the irony of a company limiting the transmission options on the very same vehicle that they will custom build with leather covered air vents if you so choose.
Taking the MT away from the base model is only further proof of that which uncontested will then trickle into the Boxster / Cayman lineup.
There is way too much sympathy for Porsche and their manufacturing costs and logistics on this forum. This multi billion dollar company builds customized examples of every model they offer while generating incredible profits by doing so. Custom is NEVER an efficient process and asking them to bolt up a transmission that they ALREADY have to a lower hp version of the same engine and chassis that they ALREADY have is not even close to a tall order.
I say don't drink the koolaide and be open to the fact that your being manipulated by their marketing ( profit generating) forces thus losing further control over the products that are being built for us the consumer, who should have far more control over the products we purchase than we have been allowed in recent times. Now mix that thought in with the irony of a company limiting the transmission options on the very same vehicle that they will custom build with leather covered air vents if you so choose.
08-14-2019, 04:29 PM
#118
Rennlist Member
I'm with you lime green ! what you wrote I was thinking when I saw the 922 , is like the Lambo of the Audi era . Usual customer were feeling like punched to see so many cars off the line , so many Lambos in any corner , in any dealer park , VW world is like that , profit .
Are you asking for the MT , ok ball buster pay the ticket !
they have to pusch down the MPG limit of the cars on sale , so also GT3 getting the 7th gear , hybryd permit to turn back the boxter and cayman to the flat 6 , taycan is a Troian horse to impove the hp rise with a so large productions , numbers numbers and more numbers
the plant in the next years will get warmer with or without cars and planes , but right now car industry get mad due the politics rules , and that's why new cars are so bad builded , whit more batteries and more stupid extra weight , monitors impossible to fix and huge brakes .
simple cars were the rare to find in the future , 992 is kind of VW Golf , made to do profit , big profit . As to be popular and must be drivable to anybody ! life is getting longer and longer , today the most buying a 911 after the 50th birthday , who care the MT !!??
young rich peoples can have fun also with the PDK , if not grab a GT3 , is always a 992 , Porsche was not lying in LA ... , the GT3 is a 911 .
Porsche had to build the next 911 to match the battery pack in it , so the MT is no more in the options list , the GT3 after the 992 , will be turbo and hybryd too , as the 992 turbo s , launch control for everybody’s ...... !!!!!! we will rent airports tracks to have fun on Sunday morning.
Are you asking for the MT , ok ball buster pay the ticket !
they have to pusch down the MPG limit of the cars on sale , so also GT3 getting the 7th gear , hybryd permit to turn back the boxter and cayman to the flat 6 , taycan is a Troian horse to impove the hp rise with a so large productions , numbers numbers and more numbers
the plant in the next years will get warmer with or without cars and planes , but right now car industry get mad due the politics rules , and that's why new cars are so bad builded , whit more batteries and more stupid extra weight , monitors impossible to fix and huge brakes .
simple cars were the rare to find in the future , 992 is kind of VW Golf , made to do profit , big profit . As to be popular and must be drivable to anybody ! life is getting longer and longer , today the most buying a 911 after the 50th birthday , who care the MT !!??
young rich peoples can have fun also with the PDK , if not grab a GT3 , is always a 992 , Porsche was not lying in LA ... , the GT3 is a 911 .
Porsche had to build the next 911 to match the battery pack in it , so the MT is no more in the options list , the GT3 after the 992 , will be turbo and hybryd too , as the 992 turbo s , launch control for everybody’s ...... !!!!!! we will rent airports tracks to have fun on Sunday morning.
08-14-2019, 04:33 PM
#119
Rennlist Member
no way , for who ? will be a very special car , the touring was never a special car
the touring was always made with cheap and simples base models , is the philosophy , and was pretty expansive with the 991 , so put a MT from the GT3 in a base Carrera ..... ? come on !
the touring was always made with cheap and simples base models , is the philosophy , and was pretty expansive with the 991 , so put a MT from the GT3 in a base Carrera ..... ? come on !
08-14-2019, 04:54 PM
#120
Drifting
Perhaps this is all the result of the VW ownership? The "old Porsche values," especially the emphasis on the driving experience above all else, are no more?
God bless,
TT
God bless,
TT