got2go

It may be with the reveal of the C8 without manual (at least initially), Porsche will be more motivated to introduce it earlier.

ipse dixit

Only in the U.S., which is increasingly a smaller and smaller market for Porsche.

ROW really doesn’t care for MT cars. Especially China, which, for better or worse, is the tail that wags the proverbial Porsche dog.

hinckley

I'm sure China represents a majority market share for Porsche overall, but do know whether that holds true for the 911 more specially? I can see huge Macan, Cayenne and Panny sales there, but I'm just not so sure that's true for the brand's sports cars as well.

EDIT: After a bit of online sleuthing . . . in 2017, Porsche sold 8,970 911s in the US, 7,500 in Germany, and 1,674 in China. This article says that the 911 is considered a "women's car" there because of its "compact proportions." China did see a bigger increase in 911 sales in 2018 though, with sales increasing to 1,992 (+19%) units, compared to 9,647 (+7.5%) units in the US.

911boy

He was at product orientation for 992 with other dealers and head office guys. This guy has been with Pfaff for many years. No chance he made that up. I guess some of you know better.

krabman

In 18 China was 71,508 versus 55,420 in the US. China however dropped to that number from their previous high of 80,108 in 2015 whereas the decline in the US was 1/4 that at 57,202 in 2015. I'm not sure I would describe that as tail wagging territory. Not to say they are not being considered what they are, the biggest single market with Porsche acting accordingly but I think they're a ways from wagging the dog. It will be interesting to see what kind of effect the C8 has in the various markets, a lot of people are overstating this IMO simply because it sells in far fewer countries. Still, going back to the 992 they've said they are bringing a manual and reports have various journalists and youtubers driving it now but under embargo. Sounds to me like it's coming.

hinckley

Bimmerpost is speculating today that the next gen M3 (due to be released shortly) may not have an MT. The members over there are apoplectic. We all know the end is coming, and I did think that MTs would end at BMW before Porsche, but if the Bimmerpost speculation proves true, the death of the 911 MT may in fact not be far behind.

Porsche911GTS'16

BMW put a stake in the NA engine. Porsche followed suit. It would not surprise me if BMW canned the MT. I do think Porsche will continue to offer the MT in the GT3 lineup for the foreseeable future but its days in the Carrera may be numbered. The NA engine was ousted mid-cycle. Could the same happen to the MT, if there are not enough takers with the first generation 992?

Denny Swift

That's pretty funny. "We didn't offer the manual transmission, and we didn't sell even one! That's proof that there is no demand!"

It's been stated by Porsche execs. that the manual is coming and if you look at the configurator under Sport Chrono, the manual is referenced. Also, my sales person attended the 992 orientation/training and says that Porsche discussed that the manual would be on the configurator by the end of August. This was corroborated by Evo X in post 35 here: https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1149...nything-3.html

My sales person also said that he has more deposits on manual cars than he has on PDK cars.

All that being said, it's all talk until it actually happens, but not offering a manual in the 992 would be as stupid as putting a F4 in the 718! Oh wait...

hinckley

And one day later, BMW Blog posts an interview with the new CEO of BMW M, Markus Flasch. He emphatically stated that the MT is alive and well in the next gen M3/4:

BB: The upcoming BMW M3 and M4 are some of the most highly anticipated M cars in a very long time. Will there be any surprises for BMW fans?

MF: No, it’s a bit early to disclose all the details but something I want to highlight is that we will have a manual stick shift. We have already disclosed we will have the option of four-wheel drive. We’ve not decided which variant, which system, but everything that’s on our current lineup; think of the M5; can be made available. The M3 and M4, I’ve driven the pre-production cars already and they’re fantastic.

BB: You’ve already sort of answered this by saying the manual will still be available in the M3 but will it be available in other M cars moving forward?

MF: Manual is very important. The manual stick shift is not a performance-bringer, because an automatic transmission is just faster, you can ask any race driver. But it gives the vehicle character and I kind of compare it to people who love mechanical watches; it isn’t more precise and it doesn’t have any advantage at all but it’s a character feature. So is a stick shift.

blk on blk

As one who has a MT in my 911 and a pdk in my Panamera gts, I don't think I would personally ever order another manual, but I drive in Houston traffic most days and am getting older. that said, I have been driving the manual most days this summer. still love it, but wouldn't really miss it if it was no longer an option.

Josh_porschnewbe

Trims offered with manual offerings would be reduced as hybridization (partial) kicks in (48 volt mild hybrid [ one electric charger to assist low rpm turbo lag). Pretty sure once this is launched the 8spd pdk will be the only std transmission. This is the similar trend with other vw group brands (Audi for eg), unless they design a manual to support this approach

destaccado

Of course no one is going to order a manual when you start making it a silly 7-speed that no one asked for.

If the choice is between a proper 6 speed and a PDK? 6-speed every time.

If the choice is between a goofy 7-speed and a PDK? PDK.

I won't say the GT3, GT4, or Spyder are proof on this point but it's ridiculous how they give you this half-assed manual and use it to claim no one wants it.

S4to911

I just went on the configurator and can order a 992 with MT. Is there a mistake?

tgcrun

Why do you think a 7 speed manual is goofy? Have you driven one on a daily basis? I'm on my third manual 991 over the course of 6 years, and the 7 speed works perfectly fine. I really don't use 7th gear unless I'm cruising on an interstate at 70 - 80 mph, and when I do I get over 30 mpg. In fact, most of the time I treat it as a 5 speed with a couple of extra gears if I need them. Why is a 6 speed proper? There are some that might argue that 4 or 5 gears are all one needs. Here's to us "no ones" who drive manual 991s!

destaccado

I drive a manual 991 too. With a proper 6-speed.

You explained why it's goofy. Claiming it works perfectly fine and has extra wasted gears you don't use making the shift spacing tighter aren't a positive.