6 days so far with the new Turbo S
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6 days so far with the new Turbo S
Well, I've had the new 992 turbo S for a week and its been a blast.
Noticeable differences from my previous 991.2 Turbo S
Ergonomics - The new cabin is beautiful. Very well put together (one caveat, see below). The new 18 way Seats are more comfortable than before
Engine/Drive modes- Normal seems milder than before till you get above 3000 RPM then it all kicks off. There does feel like there's a fraction more turbo lag than before in Normal mode (could this be down to emissions?). Sport feels much more aggressive than the 991.2. Rear spoiler pops up earlier too. Sport Plus - kicks hard but smoother than 991.2. All in all, the engine is relentless and very impressive with masses of torque.
Chassis - I specced 10mm lowered PASM - The car corners so flat it's absolutely amazing and feels like it's defying the laws of gravity. Cornering speeds are just mind blowing and the composure is unlike anything I've driven before. In retrospect I wouldn't have chosen the 10mm lowered PASM. The car rides well on good surfaces but on crappy surfaces it's a bone shaking ride. Time will tell if this loosens up....but wouldn't spec spec 10mm lowered again unless I lived somewhere with smooth roads.
Steering - Way more feel than the 991. Very communicative, gives a good amount of feedback and feels very precise.
PCM - Wow!! There is so much to figure out and I haven't even got close yet. Graphics and design are superb but it's very "busy". Just need to spend more time working our what's what.
Build quality - Everything feels well put together (apart from the rattle). Doors shut with a quality clunk. Panel gaps are really neat and paint quality excellent though I'll report back when I have the ceramic coating done next week.
Bad points - There's a rattle in my passenger door which will drive me nuts if it doesn't get fixed, also a rattle in the dash somewhere. Will book the car in for those next week.
So, after 6 days of ownership I'm very impressed with all aspects of the car. Will report back as I learn more.
Noticeable differences from my previous 991.2 Turbo S
Ergonomics - The new cabin is beautiful. Very well put together (one caveat, see below). The new 18 way Seats are more comfortable than before
Engine/Drive modes- Normal seems milder than before till you get above 3000 RPM then it all kicks off. There does feel like there's a fraction more turbo lag than before in Normal mode (could this be down to emissions?). Sport feels much more aggressive than the 991.2. Rear spoiler pops up earlier too. Sport Plus - kicks hard but smoother than 991.2. All in all, the engine is relentless and very impressive with masses of torque.
Chassis - I specced 10mm lowered PASM - The car corners so flat it's absolutely amazing and feels like it's defying the laws of gravity. Cornering speeds are just mind blowing and the composure is unlike anything I've driven before. In retrospect I wouldn't have chosen the 10mm lowered PASM. The car rides well on good surfaces but on crappy surfaces it's a bone shaking ride. Time will tell if this loosens up....but wouldn't spec spec 10mm lowered again unless I lived somewhere with smooth roads.
Steering - Way more feel than the 991. Very communicative, gives a good amount of feedback and feels very precise.
PCM - Wow!! There is so much to figure out and I haven't even got close yet. Graphics and design are superb but it's very "busy". Just need to spend more time working our what's what.
Build quality - Everything feels well put together (apart from the rattle). Doors shut with a quality clunk. Panel gaps are really neat and paint quality excellent though I'll report back when I have the ceramic coating done next week.
Bad points - There's a rattle in my passenger door which will drive me nuts if it doesn't get fixed, also a rattle in the dash somewhere. Will book the car in for those next week.
So, after 6 days of ownership I'm very impressed with all aspects of the car. Will report back as I learn more.
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Good to hear on the steering feel. I'm a little concerned about turbo lag - that's something I wish they improved on from 991.2. Hopefully, it did not get worse.
Regarding rattles - 2 of my 5 (OMG) 991s had rattles from seatbelt buckle receiver. It as hard to place the sound because it reflects from the glass in the cabin and seemed to be coming from the dash or door. Something you may want to check, just in case.
Regarding rattles - 2 of my 5 (OMG) 991s had rattles from seatbelt buckle receiver. It as hard to place the sound because it reflects from the glass in the cabin and seemed to be coming from the dash or door. Something you may want to check, just in case.
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I think turbo lag in normal mode could probably be attributed to the fact that they lowered the compression ratio and increased the boost, so if the turbos weren't already spooled up (and they wouldn't be in normal mode) then there will be more lag. Porsche can probably alleviate this in Sport / Sport+ by simply keeping the engine rpm high by selecting a lower gear.
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I think turbo lag in normal mode could probably be attributed to the fact that they lowered the compression ratio and increased the boost, so if the turbos weren't already spooled up (and they wouldn't be in normal mode) then there will be more lag. Porsche can probably alleviate this in Sport / Sport+ by simply keeping the engine rpm high by selecting a lower gear.
I reckon that's a good logical explanation.
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Good point on seat belt buckles. I'll check, though it does seem to be the door panel and my passenger could also hear it
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I think turbo lag in normal mode could probably be attributed to the fact that they lowered the compression ratio and increased the boost, so if the turbos weren't already spooled up (and they wouldn't be in normal mode) then there will be more lag. Porsche can probably alleviate this in Sport / Sport+ by simply keeping the engine rpm high by selecting a lower gear.
Anyways, doesn't a little turbo lag = some drama?
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Want to put OP's steering comments in perspective....
Does your car have the optional Power Steering Plus?
With which tires did it come equipped?
Any difference in steering precision when changing dampers from Comfort to Sport (firmer) setting?
Some 992C4S owners have commented (on rl) about chassis instability in rain during routine lane changes, so look forward to any comments you might have re: 992TTS stability in rain driving
Also, any pedal feel/performance changes in latest PCCB vs prior-gen?
Does your car have the optional Power Steering Plus?
With which tires did it come equipped?
Any difference in steering precision when changing dampers from Comfort to Sport (firmer) setting?
Some 992C4S owners have commented (on rl) about chassis instability in rain during routine lane changes, so look forward to any comments you might have re: 992TTS stability in rain driving
Also, any pedal feel/performance changes in latest PCCB vs prior-gen?
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nice review and early comments. Thanks for the post!
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It sounds like there is more turbo lag in specific situations -- e.g. when you are cruising along at 70 mph in normal, then suddenly flat footing the gas pedal without switching the car over to sport mode or pressing the sport response button, but I wouldn't worry about it.
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Want to put OP's steering comments in perspective....
Does your car have the optional Power Steering Plus?
With which tires did it come equipped?
Any difference in steering precision when changing dampers from Comfort to Sport (firmer) setting?
Some 992C4S owners have commented (on rl) about chassis instability in rain during routine lane changes, so look forward to any comments you might have re: 992TTS stability in rain driving
Also, any pedal feel/performance changes in latest PCCB vs prior-gen?
Does your car have the optional Power Steering Plus?
With which tires did it come equipped?
Any difference in steering precision when changing dampers from Comfort to Sport (firmer) setting?
Some 992C4S owners have commented (on rl) about chassis instability in rain during routine lane changes, so look forward to any comments you might have re: 992TTS stability in rain driving
Also, any pedal feel/performance changes in latest PCCB vs prior-gen?
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There doesn't seem to be any difference in steering precision whether in comfort/normal or sport. Haven't driven in the rain yet so can't comment on wet weather stability
Pedal feel is excellent on the PCCB's - not sure there's much difference over the 991.2
I think most reviewers will evaluate the car's sportiness primarily in sport/sport+ mode and the ECU/PDK programming can mitigate turbo lag there. There is also the sport response button to get the car primed, so I think in practice turbo lag isn't a problem in spirited driving.
It sounds like there is more turbo lag in specific situations -- e.g. when you are cruising along at 70 mph in normal, then suddenly flat footing the gas pedal without switching the car over to sport mode or pressing the sport response button, but I wouldn't worry about it.
It sounds like there is more turbo lag in specific situations -- e.g. when you are cruising along at 70 mph in normal, then suddenly flat footing the gas pedal without switching the car over to sport mode or pressing the sport response button, but I wouldn't worry about it.
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Thanks for the feedback, I am keeping the gt2 and 991.2 and looking forward to my 992 tts to see the real world differences on the same roads on the same days Sam at By Design will get rid of any lag there is
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Thank you!
Well, I've had the new 992 turbo S for a week and its been a blast.
Noticeable differences from my previous 991.2 Turbo S
Ergonomics - The new cabin is beautiful. Very well put together (one caveat, see below). The new 18 way Seats are more comfortable than before
Engine/Drive modes- Normal seems milder than before till you get above 3000 RPM then it all kicks off. There does feel like there's a fraction more turbo lag than before in Normal mode (could this be down to emissions?). Sport feels much more aggressive than the 991.2. Rear spoiler pops up earlier too. Sport Plus - kicks hard but smoother than 991.2. All in all, the engine is relentless and very impressive with masses of torque.
Chassis - I specced 10mm lowered PASM - The car corners so flat it's absolutely amazing and feels like it's defying the laws of gravity. Cornering speeds are just mind blowing and the composure is unlike anything I've driven before. In retrospect I wouldn't have chosen the 10mm lowered PASM. The car rides well on good surfaces but on crappy surfaces it's a bone shaking ride. Time will tell if this loosens up....but wouldn't spec spec 10mm lowered again unless I lived somewhere with smooth roads.
Steering - Way more feel than the 991. Very communicative, gives a good amount of feedback and feels very precise.
PCM - Wow!! There is so much to figure out and I haven't even got close yet. Graphics and design are superb but it's very "busy". Just need to spend more time working our what's what.
Build quality - Everything feels well put together (apart from the rattle). Doors shut with a quality clunk. Panel gaps are really neat and paint quality excellent though I'll report back when I have the ceramic coating done next week.
Bad points - There's a rattle in my passenger door which will drive me nuts if it doesn't get fixed, also a rattle in the dash somewhere. Will book the car in for those next week.
So, after 6 days of ownership I'm very impressed with all aspects of the car. Will report back as I learn more.
Noticeable differences from my previous 991.2 Turbo S
Ergonomics - The new cabin is beautiful. Very well put together (one caveat, see below). The new 18 way Seats are more comfortable than before
Engine/Drive modes- Normal seems milder than before till you get above 3000 RPM then it all kicks off. There does feel like there's a fraction more turbo lag than before in Normal mode (could this be down to emissions?). Sport feels much more aggressive than the 991.2. Rear spoiler pops up earlier too. Sport Plus - kicks hard but smoother than 991.2. All in all, the engine is relentless and very impressive with masses of torque.
Chassis - I specced 10mm lowered PASM - The car corners so flat it's absolutely amazing and feels like it's defying the laws of gravity. Cornering speeds are just mind blowing and the composure is unlike anything I've driven before. In retrospect I wouldn't have chosen the 10mm lowered PASM. The car rides well on good surfaces but on crappy surfaces it's a bone shaking ride. Time will tell if this loosens up....but wouldn't spec spec 10mm lowered again unless I lived somewhere with smooth roads.
Steering - Way more feel than the 991. Very communicative, gives a good amount of feedback and feels very precise.
PCM - Wow!! There is so much to figure out and I haven't even got close yet. Graphics and design are superb but it's very "busy". Just need to spend more time working our what's what.
Build quality - Everything feels well put together (apart from the rattle). Doors shut with a quality clunk. Panel gaps are really neat and paint quality excellent though I'll report back when I have the ceramic coating done next week.
Bad points - There's a rattle in my passenger door which will drive me nuts if it doesn't get fixed, also a rattle in the dash somewhere. Will book the car in for those next week.
So, after 6 days of ownership I'm very impressed with all aspects of the car. Will report back as I learn more.
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There is a Porsche Technical Service Bulletin #73-20 published on 06/10/2020 that deals with "Instructions on how to replace the power window covers in the event that there is a buzzing noise from the door panel area."
Might be something to have your dealer take a look at? Copy attached.
Might be something to have your dealer take a look at? Copy attached.
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There is a Porsche Technical Service Bulletin #73-20 published on 06/10/2020 that deals with "Instructions on how to replace the power window covers in the event that there is a buzzing noise from the door panel area."
Might be something to have your dealer take a look at? Copy attached.
Might be something to have your dealer take a look at? Copy attached.
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Edmac, much appreciate your detailed observations
Re: alleged turbo lag, tend to separate annoying and/or unsafe turbo lag and/or throttle response delays (for ex., in a turn vs oncoming traffic or lane change in tight traffic) vs turbo and/or throttle nonlinearity (in accel on empty freeway)
Personally, have always driven in SportPlus mode w/dampers in firmest setting, unless on freeway in rain when will change to Sport/Normal (or will go to Wet mode in 992TTS), so perhaps have a different view on the relevance of the alleged turbo and/or throttle lag/nonlinearity issues
Re: alleged turbo lag, tend to separate annoying and/or unsafe turbo lag and/or throttle response delays (for ex., in a turn vs oncoming traffic or lane change in tight traffic) vs turbo and/or throttle nonlinearity (in accel on empty freeway)
Personally, have always driven in SportPlus mode w/dampers in firmest setting, unless on freeway in rain when will change to Sport/Normal (or will go to Wet mode in 992TTS), so perhaps have a different view on the relevance of the alleged turbo and/or throttle lag/nonlinearity issues