I believe this is called a Circular Reference....

 

Unfortunately, the 8spd pdk (which is required for the hybrid motor) adds around that much weight on its own, before adding the motor, battery, and cables…

 

Echo chamber.

 

It does not because the GT2RS is almost certainly going to be a turbocharged hybrid setup like the upcoming Turbo S.

A mild hybridized NA platform for the 3RS does not overlap at all and would still maintain a large gap between the 2

 

Understood but I would assume Porsche knows this and has been working on this for quite some time

 

I am sure AP said a while back that no plans to make the GT cars Hybrid, along with if the race variant go this route then maybe we look at it for the GT cars have No plates. I am yet to see Hybrid Yellow sticker in either a Spy shot of any future GT NA, ICE GT car.

 

They could do some minor tweaks to the aero (making some changes to the bumpers and wing) and maybe add adjustable camber functionality along another 10hp or so.

 

Yeah, I could see some gremlins with the e-motor on the hybrids and wouldn't buy the first production year. I'd give it a 60-70% probability that the .2GT3RS stays fully ICE.

 

Interesting points. Everything they do would be small incremental improvements /refinement which wouldn't change the fundamental limiter around power. +10bhp isn't going to do anything, nothing really to do with suspension unless we get some kind of active/variable camber. Aero improvements maybe come from Manthey RS toned down a bit. Honestly a yawner all around. They will still sell all of them. But if rumors are true and the 994 goes back in search of lightness the 992 could wind up being the bastard.

 

No way the 994 gets lighter, it's highly probable that both the GT3 and GT3RS will both be hybrids with the 994 generation.

 

Porsche will certainly try hard to make the 994 light as stated by the rumors, but the hybrid system will add weight back. I also strongly believe 994 has to be 3.6 10,000 rpm flat 6 or else Porsche can't compete and buyers won't adopt to hybrid that easily.

 

If they did that, the 992.2 GT3 RS would be less capable than the 992.1 GT3 RS WP.

 

That won't be enough of a gap

 

The gap between 991.2 GT3 and GT3RS was similar it not less than the proposed gap.

The gap between 991.1 and 991.2 GT3RS was also similar, but keep in mind in the 991 generation because of finger follower issues, Porsche had to redesign the engine.

 

I think some people have hazy memories and/ or misconceptions

Porsche is a very successful engineering company- but they do not in house build all their components. Almost every delay they have is from a 3rd party supplier's QC - the sole time I can think of something going wrong was the E/F series engine. Little bits like the CF door handle or the frunk lid can have big problems for the production line.

going backwards in time for a bit- the 2016 3RS going to 2019 3rs was a radical jump in the aero and suspension categories. 2016 car was still pretty close to road bias. Had huge tires but suspension was really livable. The 2019 car was much more aggressive and their first released vehicle with the full rose-joint/ monoball (all metal no rubber) suspension. This was the key performance distinction for the car. Same suspension for 2RS but we are talking 3rs so I'll leave it out.

The GT3RS in 2016 was 500hp.
The GT3RS in 2019 was 510hp. lap: 6:56

The laptime gets about 15 seconds faster.

The 2022 GT3 (non RS) makes roughly the same downforce as a 2019 3RS. This sends the GT3 into sub 7min territory - officially a 6:55.3


Meanwhile the 3RS went full over 1000lb downforce and added the active suspension controls to the steering wheel. BUT the car only has about 8hp more.

Performance gap increases again -
2023 GT3RS does a 6:49 with Bergmeister and a 6:44.8 with Kern.

so laptimes as a guide to generations:

2023 GT3RS: 6:44.8 (6:49 full track) (520hp)
2022 GT3. : 6:55 (6:59 full track) (510hp)
2019 GT3RS: 6:56.4 (4L, 510hp)
2018 GT3. : 7:12.7 (4L, 500hp)
2016 GT3RS: 7:20 (4L, 500hp)
2015 GT3. : 7:32 (3.8L 480hp)

these factory driver times are all supported by the fact that Christian Gebhart (independent) will go test and run very similar times (3-5 seconds slower most of the time).

So you can imagine how Porsche expects their track cars to evolve. There is usually a handy gap between the 3 and 3RS. The .2 version of the .2 GT3 usually gets close or adopts a lot of the RS stuff then the .2 GT3RS goes another step.

Now the manthey kits have taken these times even deeper- with Bergmeister recently beating the 7min barrier in the GT4RS MR, and the 991.2 GT2RS MR running a 6:38- suspicion is that the 992.1 3RS MR shark fin kit send it into mid 6:30's.

The Manthey kits are suspension and aero only. This shows that HP is not the key tweak the "hybrid theory" people think creates lap times.

Faster laps via suspension and aero and tires are much more in line with Porsche's ethos. The 2019 GT2RS for instance made 700hp and was benchmarked with a Lars Kern 6:47.2 lap. So the ~200hp was only good for 9 seconds vs 3RS. MR kit took off another 8-9 seconds.

992.2 for GT3 and GT3RS could simply keep
down path of aero and suspension development - now with potential Manthey Aero and suspension wizardry for the gains.

also and finally FWIW nobody has come close to the ring times of a 911 except the AMG Project1
and the GTR Black Series, and they won LM24 again with a 911 based car.

Until another recipe starts to dominate, Porsche is not likely to change 911 recipes.