Originally Posted by PTS

I dig newer cars that have throwback attributes to the greats of old, hence my infatuation with cars like the S/T.

I also dig older cars

Originally Posted by Manifold

Did you get an S/T? If so, please describe your impressions of the car.

Originally Posted by PTS

Correct. Worth pointing out the most critical of the 992 are 991 owners. Ask groundhog what he owns

Originally Posted by DodoBrd

I could be showing my age a bit here, but I feel the opposite.... the amount of cool cars in the past 10 years (from all manufacturers) is pretty incredible, and most of these cars are in the 'realistically obtainable' price point for many Americans with a decent job. What other 10 year period has produced so many cool cars?

Originally Posted by Manifold

Agree, that's why I tend to prefer turbo cars for the road, e.g. 991 TTS, 992 TTS, McLaren 570.

Porsche NA GT cars need to be wound up to high revs to deliver acceleration, at which point they're quite loud and drawing attention which may be unwanted, and you're likely going too fast. They can't really deliver bursts of acceleration.

If a car isn't going to give me bursts of acceleration, it needs to at least be fun in other ways.

Originally Posted by M&Abanker4life

taycan works quite well for acceleration in a straight line - less fun than the GT cars to throw into corners due to the weight though and AWD

Originally Posted by DodoBrd

I could be showing my age a bit here, but I feel the opposite.... the amount of cool cars in the past 10 years (from all manufacturers) is pretty incredible, and most of these cars are in the 'realistically obtainable' price point for many Americans with a decent job. What other 10 year period has produced so many cool cars?

Originally Posted by M&Abanker4life

taycan works quite well for acceleration in a straight line - less fun than the GT cars to throw into corners due to the weight though and AWD

Originally Posted by groundhog

Not really, I've owned plenty and raced, on and off, for close on thirty years to a decent level. I like the technical side a great deal and get a lot of pleasure out of that and driving hard in all sorts of competition. Competition is both a mental and physical task, not one or the other - you can't decouple them. Moroever, without data and an understanding of logging you will struggle at any meaningful level of competition, thats just how it is these days even in Cup.

I think Porsche needs to get back to real basics - getting bigger and faster doesn't mean a better or more engaging road car. I would like to see them make a much lighter- weight car from composites, developed chassis up and NA powered. I think the direction they are headed is not inspiring or even particularly interesting, just feels formulaic, its not a bad formula but perhaps they need to think outside of the box.

I guess I used to get excited for a new Porsche, just doesn't really happen any more. It feels like Ferrari are trying to square the circle, McLaren seem a bit stuck (like Porsche - I didn't like the Artura) and Lambo is just being Lambo.

I feel they got so close with the Spyder RS...................................................................... (needs a better roof solution and multi link/wishbone all round, weight reduction - its core is really 981)

PS My son got his first P car, second hand Guards Red 981 base Cayman, only 10,000ks and the original owner massively over specced it (think GTS like interior), anyhow I had a drive of it and really enjoyed it, fish and chips at the pub and drive home. Perhaps theres something to be said for simplicity.

Originally Posted by groundhog

True there are some great cars out there, the reason I picked up the 296 GTB was because the 992 GT3 RS didn't really do much for me (I'm not saying its not good, it just didn't really move the dial for me personally). I think its become a bit of a recipe, sure a good one but nonetheless a recipe. I just feel Porsche should get back to real basics - weight, foot print, materials, engine, drive train, aero. Would love them to do a clean sheet design GT div. sports car. A high quality, light-weight, mid-NA engined, minimalist sports car, made from quality materials. Merging the best of the Cayman with the best of the 911. Now that would be something.

Originally Posted by mooty

I agree above
by "data" I don't mean telemetry or track perf data. those are useful and I have race track a long long time, until I lost my right eye.
data I meant much of the garbage spew here...

Originally Posted by welikethetrack

sounds like you should try a gt4/gt4rs

Originally Posted by groundhog

991.2 GT3 RS, 720S, 296 GTB (non-AF) - I had one of the early allocations and decided against it. I was offered a second allocation and said no and also turned down a highly optioned W. pack car with 2,000ks on it. I have owned a lot of Porsche sports cars and done a lot of track time. It just didn't move the game on for me personally, particularly as a road car. No great mystery to it.

I'll see what happens with the 992.2 but will most likely look at the next generation if it really changes the game.

Originally Posted by groundhog

True there are some great cars out there, the reason I picked up the 296 GTB was because the 992 GT3 RS didn't really do much for me (I'm not saying its not good, it just didn't really move the dial for me personally). I think its become a bit of a recipe, sure a good one but nonetheless a recipe. I just feel Porsche should get back to real basics - weight, foot print, materials, engine, drive train, aero. Would love them to do a clean sheet design GT div. sports car. A high quality, light-weight, mid-NA engined, minimalist sports car, made from quality materials. Merging the best of the Cayman with the best of the 911. Now that would be something.