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Old 03-29-2023 | 02:33 PM
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The seat implied by your original question.

Out of interest...are you feeling insecure about your choice? Else why attempt to behead the messenger? Especially since the messenger thinks the GT4 RS is a great car..but markedly different in its compromises (from a GT3).
Old 03-29-2023 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Need4Speedster
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The seat implied by your original question.

Out of interest...are you feeling insecure about your choice? Else why attempt to behead the messenger? Especially since the messenger thinks the GT4 RS is a great car..but markedly different in its compromises (from a GT3).
I have a 992GT3 RS coming so why would I be insecure ? I get to choose whatever car I want to keep for whatever length of time I choose.
Old 03-29-2023 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Need4Speedster
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The seat implied by your original question.

Out of interest...are you feeling insecure about your choice? Else why attempt to behead the messenger? Especially since the messenger thinks the GT4 RS is a great car..but markedly different in its compromises (from a GT3).
You're the one that came in here talking about how the 992 is "clearly" the superior car, not sure who the insecure one is. Seems like both cars are pretty evenly matched, but offer a different experience.
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Old 03-29-2023 | 04:15 PM
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^^^ bingo
Old 03-29-2023 | 04:49 PM
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As much as I hate on Porsche's choice to handicap the Cayman platform with its strut rear-end and not as good PASM damping curves compared to the 911's, I will say that it is fixable with MCS or KW suspension and then you have the composure of the 911, but in a mid-engine platform and still at a cheaper price point.

I would take a properly modded GT4 or GT4 RS over a stock GT3 just for the mid-engine experience.
Old 03-29-2023 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Need4Speedster
Doesn't each car come stock with similar tires? - so it should be a simple answer and apples to apples.
As I said, have a look at the EVO drive by Steve Sutcliffe - he was quicker in a GT4 RS on a very engaging technical circuit. Both the 992 GT3 and GT4 RS were on Cup2 tires. Keep in mind Steve Sutcliffe was a former pro driver before he became a motoring journalist.

The point being in the real world, theres a bees dick in it and any lap time difference will be due to differences in driver ability along with tires.

In my mind (and irrespective of lap times) the GT4 RS is just a lot more fun, its an event, an occasion, it really is.

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Old 03-30-2023 | 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TexasPorschelover
I have had both 992 GT3 and now GT4RS. I don't race but do track occasionally and mostly b road enjoy. For me, GT4RS without hesitation is the keeper. I'll repeat it again - nothing gives the driver back more. It is truely an event each time you get behind the wheel. The GT4RS is one for the ages and Porsche gave us a gift doing that car. No need to argue any of this and it doesn't take anything away from the capabilites of the GT3. Give me the keys to a GT3 and I'll happily jump in every time.
Spot on.
Old 03-30-2023 | 01:50 AM
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Shared this elsewhere but I drove a GT4 RS at pace on the ring chasing a buddy in his 992 GT3 (and rode with him). The 4RS is a blast, but definitely unsettled on several sections where the 992 GT3 could be pushed harder. I think the 4RS is way more fun around town, at slower speeds, and on certain tighter tracks (as long as they are very smooth). The 992 comes alive like all the prior GT3s, it just has higher limits before the playfulness comes in. Most of the owners I know that traded them in never found that envelope. That being said, the GT3 could benefit from some exhaust tweaks to increase the theater (easy addition) and the GT4 RS is absolutely brilliant so I would love to own either / both.
Old 03-30-2023 | 02:15 AM
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I too have driven both on street and track. My issue is that we are comparing two cars that are only similar in name and price. Can’t really compare a RS to a non RS and also comparing end of life chassis to a newer chassis. So many factors here. Bottom both are great, but serve different purposes. GT4 is a Hoon, a wild cat. GT3, can take to track and then out to dinner and weekend getaway.
Old 03-30-2023 | 12:56 PM
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Might be a little late to this party, but I owned by 992 GT3 for 11 months before I got my GT4 RS in January 2023. I will preface by saying I'm not track king or driving savant but have pushed both cars pretty hard.

GT3- Leaps and bounds quicker on a track, more precise, and overall a car that's fairly "easy" to drive. Many times, I was almost shocked how the GT3 made me look like a way better driver than I really was, which just speaks volumes of Porsche engineering. If you're looking for the fastest times and a car that will make you look and feel like a stud, this is the one.

GT4 RS- Slower, twitchy, and not quite as precise as a GT3. Albeit, THIS IS THE BETTER CAR! This car is so much fun to drive, I don't remember having this much fun in a car since my E92 M3. It's loud and doesn't do what you tell it unless you purposely tell it. I did a road trip in it from Houston to NOLA and I couldn't talk in the cabin it was so loud and I loved every minute of it.

Both great cars, but give me the wild boy 4RS any day of the week.
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Old 03-30-2023 | 03:34 PM
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For those with seat time on both, I would appreciate notes on 997.2 GT3 vs GT4RS. I'm close to an allocation on the RS. From what I've read, I'm imagining a good dose of overlap and I want to start making decisions about what to do with the 7.2 3. I'm also in line for a MT GT3T that I probably won't get for at least a year. I'll be very happy if I can get both as I think they complement each other perfectly.
Old 03-30-2023 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by avid
For those with seat time on both, I would appreciate notes on 997.2 GT3 vs GT4RS. I'm close to an allocation on the RS. From what I've read, I'm imagining a good dose of overlap and I want to start making decisions about what to do with the 7.2 3. I'm also in line for a MT GT3T that I probably won't get for at least a year. I'll be very happy if I can get both as I think they complement each other perfectly.
To be honest, all 3 cars would be great to have (and not redundant, imo). If you can afford the money and space, I don’t think you’d regret keeping all 3.
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Old 03-30-2023 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by avid
For those with seat time on both, I would appreciate notes on 997.2 GT3 vs GT4RS. I'm close to an allocation on the RS. From what I've read, I'm imagining a good dose of overlap and I want to start making decisions about what to do with the 7.2 3. I'm also in line for a MT GT3T that I probably won't get for at least a year. I'll be very happy if I can get both as I think they complement each other perfectly.

I currently own both (997.2RS) and I’ll say the GT4RS does have a rawness more akin to the 997. The way the wheel spins on power, the Immediacy of the short wheelbase, it does feel more organic like the 997 vs the new stuff.

But they are all very different, the mid engine balance is a totally new experience vs the rear engined 997. If I were you I’ll keep the 997 and add the GT4RS, there is always gonna be a 992.2 GT3, as the other 2 is as good as it gets.

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Old 03-30-2023 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
To be honest, all 3 cars would be great to have (and not redundant, imo). If you can afford the money and space, I don’t think you’d regret keeping all 3.
Originally Posted by bobodrink
I currently own both (997.2RS) and I’ll say the GT4RS does have a rawness more akin to the 997. The way the wheel spins on power, the Immediacy of the short wheelbase, it does feel more organic like the 997 vs the new stuff.

But they are all very different, the mid engine balance is a totally new experience vs the rear engined 997. If I were you I’ll keep the 997 and add the GT4RS, there is always gonna be a 992.2 GT3, as the other 2 is as good as it gets.
Thank you both. I trying to keep my garage to a reasonable size. It's easy to say yes to more but I prefer to have only what I'll use. If the 3 was an RS it'd be a tougher decision but with hybridization and EVs around the corner, I'd like to own the pinnacle ICE GTs.

Thank you for confirming what I've been envisioning: RS feeling a bit like the 7 in terms of size, rawness, and agility but more modern, with mid engine balance and that amazing soundtrack. Of course, that alone doesn't do it justice and everyone's comments on this thread are invaluable. I have to say, I'm more excited about the 4RS than a 3RS if I could get my hands on one.
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Old 03-31-2023 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by avid
For those with seat time on both, I would appreciate notes on 997.2 GT3 vs GT4RS. I'm close to an allocation on the RS. From what I've read, I'm imagining a good dose of overlap and I want to start making decisions about what to do with the 7.2 3. I'm also in line for a MT GT3T that I probably won't get for at least a year. I'll be very happy if I can get both as I think they complement each other perfectly.
Very little overlap IMHO. I own a 997.1 GT3 that is highly modified (4.0 liter engine, etc.) but its still slower and I work a lot harder in the 997. That being said, its the only car I will never sell. GT4RS is awesome but has all the modern Porsche safety nets, much more tire, much more power, PDK, etc. and is a lot easier to drive. You will be amazed at the front axle grip of ANY modern porsche compared to our old 997s.

The closest comparison for the GT4RS for me was my 991.2 GT3 (PDK). It feels a lot like that, both narrow body, slightly different dynamics, slightly more noise, but similar (in a good way).

I would keep the 997 and pick either the GT4RS or GT3T, whichever speaks to you when you drive them.
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