911ST
#6046
Delayed 6 more days on mine but seems to be settling in the same timeframe now, no more big jumps lately. Pure speculation but seems they're getting the scheduling more dialed in now that we're hitting May tomorrow
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kyrocks (05-01-2024)
#6048
If you look at my comment it suggests you're right...no one is claiming not to believe you. Suggesting our dates will firm up in a few weeks is not going to stop any of us from checking our TYD daily, I'm sure you understand
#6049
#6050
Drifting
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#6051
Race Car
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#6053
Drifting
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Greek Car Geek (05-11-2024)
#6054
Race Car
Mad props for getting it over 100 miles. Most will probably never see that many miles
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dixonk (05-11-2024)
#6055
#6056
It’s happening!
After months of the dates pushing out and pulling in without rhyme or reason, it’s finally locked!
What an absolute dream come true! Just hit the big 4-0 a month ago, my son was born 2 weeks ago, and now my money-no-object dream car is being built. What a year!
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#6057
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Here are my initial impressions: I took possession of the car today at 11 am and immediately tried to make my way out of the bustling Parisian streets. Similar to the RS 4.0 or the R, you can indeed hear the characteristic noise of the single-mass flywheel and the lightened clutch. However, the sound is not exactly the same as in those two previous cars.
The ergonomics are excellent, the controls fall perfectly to hand, although they are slightly firmer than in the R but less so than in the 4-liter. The small lever is perfectly guided.
It's difficult at this stage to pass judgment on the engine, as I'm in the break-in period for 1500 km. Thus, I maintain a regime between 3000 and 5000 rpm at most, with the engine warmed up. Even if I reach 5000 rpm, I immediately let the engine speed drop. Nevertheless, the engine proves to be extremely flexible, capable of pulling from under 2000 rpm in sixth gear. Although it takes some effort, it manages to do so. Once past 3000 rpm, and even more so past 4000 rpm, you feel a real power surge. At the moment, I can't directly compare it to the Mezger of the RS 4.0. However, it's a comparison point that I find excellent, as I've always considered that engine the best among all the naturally aspirated 4-liters 911s I've owned.
It's undeniable that the S/T engine is extremely responsive. It revs up agilely and comes down just as quickly. More than once, I've been surprised during a shift from first to second gear, where I was a bit slow to engage second gear. At that moment, the rpm dropped. I wasn't about to stall, but the rpm was just a bit low when the second gear engaged. This requires quick reflexes. You need to be alert during rev-ups. Unlike the R, the S/T doesn't give a little throttle blip to maintain rpm when upshifting.
The automatic heel-toe is perfectly executed, and I must say I used it without hesitation. Today, I didn't really feel like precisely manipulating the gearbox using manual heel-toe, which anyway is often less well dosed than the automatic. I really think there's an light improvement over the R in this regard. The calibration is excellent, and with such a responsive engine, I believe it's necessary to keep this automatic heel-toe engaged.
The engine sound is quite present, with a noticeable power and a rather cavernous and dull tone, especially at revs below 4000 rpm. Beyond that, I can't yet anticipate the output. As I noticed on the 991 Speedster, it takes some time for the sound to stabilize, for all the exhaust manifolds to expand, and for everything to heat up before getting the definitive sound.
To avoid excessively stressing the engine at high revs, I mainly used gears 4, 5, and 6, even on small roads, relying on the engine's power and torque. What I noticed is that once past 3000-4000 rpm, the accelerations are quite brisk. I think the shorter transmission ratio has something to do with it. It surprised me a bit, as it's easy to exceed speed limits on secondary roads without much effort. It's a bit disconcerting, and I don't expect to have exactly the same sensations with other cars.
Despite its shorter gears, at 130 km/h in sixth, the car isn't excessively noisy on the highway. I took some highway stretches today, notably in the Île-de-France region, and I didn't find the noise particularly bothersome. Of course, it's louder than the Taycan, which is an electric vehicle, but less so than the 4-liter.
Unable to truly push the engine, I focused my attention on the chassis. And there, what a surprise! In several places I know well, I noticed that the car was capable of tackling stretches at speeds 10 to 20 km/h above what I'm used to, and yet, those speeds are already quite high. I felt like I wasn't pushing it to its limits, but caution and the fact that I couldn't really stress the engine to control the rear urged me not to overdo it. It was already impressive, especially in 90-degree corners. Unlike the R, which has rear-wheel steering, this car offers a more natural driving sensation, without the parasitic sensations one might sometimes feel with the R, especially during strong accelerations when the wheels aren't straight. In that case, it was difficult to accelerate again because I couldn't really rev up, but I still feel that this car offers a more natural and very pleasant driving experience, with great serenity and phenomenal cornering ability.
It's nice to see that the car doesn't seem too tiring. Despite a journey of just over 250 km today, fatigue wasn't very present, even after a shortened night due to the excitement of picking up the car. The seats offer good support and are sufficiently plush, while the interior is absolutely splendid. This contrasts with the traditional idea of a sports car, but in this case, with its black exterior and cognac interior, it's simply sumptuous. I've never owned such a refined and luxurious car while still retaining its sporty character, with this mix of leather, piano black finish, and carbon.
I'll just leave you with the overall aesthetics of the car because, indeed, it's very subjective. But personally, I find it stunning. I'm very happy, in the end, with this black color. With its protective film, it'll be manageable, because indeed, it quickly gathers dust. The only flaw I found, in the end, is the sound, or the sound system, quite catastrophic, I must say, with a somewhat hollow or almost tinny sound. But then, do we get this kind of car for that? And besides, I didn't want to opt for the option with I don't remember how many extra speakers to weigh down the car. But anyway, it's not a sound system worthy of a car of this price. But that wasn't the question, in fact.
In conclusion, I'm extremely happy to have been able to take possession of this car. It's undeniably a well-designed car, and the adjective that spontaneously comes to mind is "formidable". I feel like it has huge potential and pushes the boundaries of what I already know. Is it really different and better? It's hard to say for now. But it's really this notion of potential that stands out. Despite its discreet appearance in its black livery, it has a diva side, but with claws. I'm convinced that once the break-in period is over, it will reveal all its sporting potential. For now, I remain reserved, just like it does. That's the spirit of all Porsches: getting to know them over kilometers and time to discover all their facets. All that's left is to be patient.
The ergonomics are excellent, the controls fall perfectly to hand, although they are slightly firmer than in the R but less so than in the 4-liter. The small lever is perfectly guided.
It's difficult at this stage to pass judgment on the engine, as I'm in the break-in period for 1500 km. Thus, I maintain a regime between 3000 and 5000 rpm at most, with the engine warmed up. Even if I reach 5000 rpm, I immediately let the engine speed drop. Nevertheless, the engine proves to be extremely flexible, capable of pulling from under 2000 rpm in sixth gear. Although it takes some effort, it manages to do so. Once past 3000 rpm, and even more so past 4000 rpm, you feel a real power surge. At the moment, I can't directly compare it to the Mezger of the RS 4.0. However, it's a comparison point that I find excellent, as I've always considered that engine the best among all the naturally aspirated 4-liters 911s I've owned.
It's undeniable that the S/T engine is extremely responsive. It revs up agilely and comes down just as quickly. More than once, I've been surprised during a shift from first to second gear, where I was a bit slow to engage second gear. At that moment, the rpm dropped. I wasn't about to stall, but the rpm was just a bit low when the second gear engaged. This requires quick reflexes. You need to be alert during rev-ups. Unlike the R, the S/T doesn't give a little throttle blip to maintain rpm when upshifting.
The automatic heel-toe is perfectly executed, and I must say I used it without hesitation. Today, I didn't really feel like precisely manipulating the gearbox using manual heel-toe, which anyway is often less well dosed than the automatic. I really think there's an light improvement over the R in this regard. The calibration is excellent, and with such a responsive engine, I believe it's necessary to keep this automatic heel-toe engaged.
The engine sound is quite present, with a noticeable power and a rather cavernous and dull tone, especially at revs below 4000 rpm. Beyond that, I can't yet anticipate the output. As I noticed on the 991 Speedster, it takes some time for the sound to stabilize, for all the exhaust manifolds to expand, and for everything to heat up before getting the definitive sound.
To avoid excessively stressing the engine at high revs, I mainly used gears 4, 5, and 6, even on small roads, relying on the engine's power and torque. What I noticed is that once past 3000-4000 rpm, the accelerations are quite brisk. I think the shorter transmission ratio has something to do with it. It surprised me a bit, as it's easy to exceed speed limits on secondary roads without much effort. It's a bit disconcerting, and I don't expect to have exactly the same sensations with other cars.
Despite its shorter gears, at 130 km/h in sixth, the car isn't excessively noisy on the highway. I took some highway stretches today, notably in the Île-de-France region, and I didn't find the noise particularly bothersome. Of course, it's louder than the Taycan, which is an electric vehicle, but less so than the 4-liter.
Unable to truly push the engine, I focused my attention on the chassis. And there, what a surprise! In several places I know well, I noticed that the car was capable of tackling stretches at speeds 10 to 20 km/h above what I'm used to, and yet, those speeds are already quite high. I felt like I wasn't pushing it to its limits, but caution and the fact that I couldn't really stress the engine to control the rear urged me not to overdo it. It was already impressive, especially in 90-degree corners. Unlike the R, which has rear-wheel steering, this car offers a more natural driving sensation, without the parasitic sensations one might sometimes feel with the R, especially during strong accelerations when the wheels aren't straight. In that case, it was difficult to accelerate again because I couldn't really rev up, but I still feel that this car offers a more natural and very pleasant driving experience, with great serenity and phenomenal cornering ability.
It's nice to see that the car doesn't seem too tiring. Despite a journey of just over 250 km today, fatigue wasn't very present, even after a shortened night due to the excitement of picking up the car. The seats offer good support and are sufficiently plush, while the interior is absolutely splendid. This contrasts with the traditional idea of a sports car, but in this case, with its black exterior and cognac interior, it's simply sumptuous. I've never owned such a refined and luxurious car while still retaining its sporty character, with this mix of leather, piano black finish, and carbon.
I'll just leave you with the overall aesthetics of the car because, indeed, it's very subjective. But personally, I find it stunning. I'm very happy, in the end, with this black color. With its protective film, it'll be manageable, because indeed, it quickly gathers dust. The only flaw I found, in the end, is the sound, or the sound system, quite catastrophic, I must say, with a somewhat hollow or almost tinny sound. But then, do we get this kind of car for that? And besides, I didn't want to opt for the option with I don't remember how many extra speakers to weigh down the car. But anyway, it's not a sound system worthy of a car of this price. But that wasn't the question, in fact.
In conclusion, I'm extremely happy to have been able to take possession of this car. It's undeniably a well-designed car, and the adjective that spontaneously comes to mind is "formidable". I feel like it has huge potential and pushes the boundaries of what I already know. Is it really different and better? It's hard to say for now. But it's really this notion of potential that stands out. Despite its discreet appearance in its black livery, it has a diva side, but with claws. I'm convinced that once the break-in period is over, it will reveal all its sporting potential. For now, I remain reserved, just like it does. That's the spirit of all Porsches: getting to know them over kilometers and time to discover all their facets. All that's left is to be patient.
#6059
Drifting
Amazingly eloquent write up, appreciate it.
One question, why are you being so cautious with RPMs? On all my GT cars recently Porsche has recommended 1500km under 7k rpms? I would imagine that for a motor that revs so freely you would be lugging the motor most of the time which doesn’t seem wise. Just curious and congrats.
One question, why are you being so cautious with RPMs? On all my GT cars recently Porsche has recommended 1500km under 7k rpms? I would imagine that for a motor that revs so freely you would be lugging the motor most of the time which doesn’t seem wise. Just curious and congrats.
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I’m chiming into just give my own thoughts on the engine. There is something really nice about the RS engine. 992 RS and 992 GT3 next to each other have very different feels and sounds. For those of us who own both cars, the RS engine is magnificent. Even with a PDK the RS engine has a very unique cam lobe to it which is amplified in the manual ST.
For those who think just throwing a light weight flywheel onto a GT3 will get you most of the way there, haven’t had seat time in a ST yet will be disappointed when they do.
For those who think just throwing a light weight flywheel onto a GT3 will get you most of the way there, haven’t had seat time in a ST yet will be disappointed when they do.
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