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Overall I am perfectly happy running my 4RS at DEs for fun and having an ST for back road blasts. it’s the best of both worlds in my opinion, and I like having various cars that provide differing experiences.
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Ukkid74 (02-13-2024)
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They should be great complements to each other, certainly not substitutes
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TOporschefan (02-13-2024)
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992 GT3 RS is the first generation in a long time I have not ordered. I beat up my prior versions on track and absolutely adored them, so it will be odd not having the newest RS in the garage. As I am getting older and not trying to hunt down lap times, but instead more focused on fun with friends on track, the 4RS is a perfect tool. S/T made more sense to compliment it.
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#5524
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My point is, the 4RS is an absolutely wonderful car. If your source says everyone is selling them, I would argue it’s because the drivers are inexperienced and more worried about comparing d..k sizes, I mean laps times. And no doubt the 4RS can be a tricky car to lay down quick laps
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992 GT3 RS is the first generation in a long time I have not ordered. I beat up my prior versions on track and absolutely adored them, so it will be odd not having the newest RS in the garage. As I am getting older and not trying to hunt down lap times, but instead more focused on fun with friends on track, the 4RS is a perfect tool. S/T made more sense to compliment it.
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The ST will 100% be more of an "experience" car such as the 4RS is.
Nothing wrong with that as that was the STs goal.
I don't need to track it to find its limits. Those can be easily found on public roads is the problem. Hell its even on this board there's been references to instructors and professional drivers loosing the cars on track or wrecking. Not to mention what's on YouTube.
the main issue with the 4RS is that it’s under tired, particularly up front. Running at DEs is just for fun, nobody racing. If you build it wisely, ei stay away from all the frills, then you have fast fun car that is easily $100k+ less than a 3RS, yet in the right hands can run with them. I was passing 992 GT3s and RSs at Red Bull Ring and Spa last fall with my 4RS, tracks which I am not even remotely familiar with. Once back home was able to outrun experienced drivers in 991 GT3s and RSs simply because Porsche finally gave the 718 platform the grunt with a proper motor. For example, at my local track when comparing data my 4RS had fastest straight line top speeds I had recorded, other than my laps in 991 GT2 RS (but that kinda makes sense given hp and torque deficit). Biggest issue is expectations. No it’s not a 3RS, nobody expects it to be as quick as its massively under tired under aero and suspension is ancient. But for a lot less money it provides a massively fun and rewarding but different experience.
Overall I am perfectly happy running my 4RS at DEs for fun and having an ST for back road blasts. it’s the best of both worlds in my opinion, and I like having various cars that provide differing experiences.
Overall I am perfectly happy running my 4RS at DEs for fun and having an ST for back road blasts. it’s the best of both worlds in my opinion, and I like having various cars that provide differing experiences.
The 4RS market fell off market wise for many reasons, not just speculation.
My question is this, what if the ST doesn't live up to the hype or your expectations?
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the cayman rear suspension is pretty weak compared to the gt3, and noticeable on the road. You can hear it cut power around 1:38 as the rear floats over the hill
Long been a problem for the gt4 as well. It’s weird to watch people claiming the car that drives worse empirically is just as good because it takes a more experienced driver to handle it and the gt3 is too good so they prefer something not as good. Nah. It’s just not as good. More fun ? Sure ? Maybe ? Personal preference. Better noise ? Yeah. Still slower and more difficult to handle.
And yes, I’ve driven it back to back with a gt3 on track.
Long been a problem for the gt4 as well. It’s weird to watch people claiming the car that drives worse empirically is just as good because it takes a more experienced driver to handle it and the gt3 is too good so they prefer something not as good. Nah. It’s just not as good. More fun ? Sure ? Maybe ? Personal preference. Better noise ? Yeah. Still slower and more difficult to handle.
And yes, I’ve driven it back to back with a gt3 on track.
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Diablo Dude (02-16-2024)
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Not sure what that video proves... other than driver is a fool and cannot stay in his own lane while 'trying' to go all out on a public road.
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the cayman rear suspension is pretty weak compared to the gt3, and noticeable on the road. You can hear it cut power around 1:38 as the rear floats over the hill
https://youtu.be/HVc9BKu5Q8Y?si=Iq2ViOtv5Gt5Y152
Long been a problem for the gt4 as well. It’s weird to watch people claiming the car that drives worse empirically is just as good because it takes a more experienced driver to handle it and the gt3 is too good so they prefer something not as good. Nah. It’s just not as good. More fun ? Sure ? Maybe ? Personal preference. Better noise ? Yeah. Still slower and more difficult to handle.
And yes, I’ve driven it back to back with a gt3 on track.
https://youtu.be/HVc9BKu5Q8Y?si=Iq2ViOtv5Gt5Y152
Long been a problem for the gt4 as well. It’s weird to watch people claiming the car that drives worse empirically is just as good because it takes a more experienced driver to handle it and the gt3 is too good so they prefer something not as good. Nah. It’s just not as good. More fun ? Sure ? Maybe ? Personal preference. Better noise ? Yeah. Still slower and more difficult to handle.
And yes, I’ve driven it back to back with a gt3 on track.
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#5532
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Had a 981 GT4 for 15,000 miles and the difference in suspension (and platform) isn't even close to my 992 GT3.
At the end of the day, it's all personal choice.
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the cayman rear suspension is pretty weak compared to the gt3, and noticeable on the road. You can hear it cut power around 1:38 as the rear floats over the hill
Long been a problem for the gt4 as well. It’s weird to watch people claiming the car that drives worse empirically is just as good because it takes a more experienced driver to handle it and the gt3 is too good so they prefer something not as good. Nah. It’s just not as good. More fun ? Sure ? Maybe ? Personal preference. Better noise ? Yeah. Still slower and more difficult to handle.
And yes, I’ve driven it back to back with a gt3 on track.
Long been a problem for the gt4 as well. It’s weird to watch people claiming the car that drives worse empirically is just as good because it takes a more experienced driver to handle it and the gt3 is too good so they prefer something not as good. Nah. It’s just not as good. More fun ? Sure ? Maybe ? Personal preference. Better noise ? Yeah. Still slower and more difficult to handle.
And yes, I’ve driven it back to back with a gt3 on track.
I like the GT4 RS because of its compact size and small cockpit. Feels more intimate/old school to me than a 992 does.
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