disden

the main issue with the 4RS is that it’s under tired, particularly up front. Running at DEs is just for fun, nobody racing. If you build it wisely, ei stay away from all the frills, then you have fast fun car that is easily $100k+ less than a 3RS, yet in the right hands can run with them. I was passing 992 GT3s and RSs at Red Bull Ring and Spa last fall with my 4RS, tracks which I am not even remotely familiar with. Once back home was able to outrun experienced drivers in 991 GT3s and RSs simply because Porsche finally gave the 718 platform the grunt with a proper motor. For example, at my local track when comparing data my 4RS had fastest straight line top speeds I had recorded, other than my laps in 991 GT2 RS (but that kinda makes sense given hp and torque deficit). Biggest issue is expectations. No it’s not a 3RS, nobody expects it to be as quick as its massively under tired under aero and suspension is ancient. But for a lot less money it provides a massively fun and rewarding but different experience.

Overall I am perfectly happy running my 4RS at DEs for fun and having an ST for back road blasts. it’s the best of both worlds in my opinion, and I like having various cars that provide differing experiences.

PTS

They should be great complements to each other, certainly not substitutes

disden

992 GT3 RS is the first generation in a long time I have not ordered. I beat up my prior versions on track and absolutely adored them, so it will be odd not having the newest RS in the garage. As I am getting older and not trying to hunt down lap times, but instead more focused on fun with friends on track, the 4RS is a perfect tool. S/T made more sense to compliment it.

Diablo Dude

BlazinPond

The hardest choice may be determining which car to bring to a smokies event.

Justaroofer

Lol, nope. The ONLY similar experiences that the 3RS and the ST will have are the body and the motor. Beyond that they will not be anywhere close to apples comparisons.

The ST will 100% be more of an "experience" car such as the 4RS is.

Nothing wrong with that as that was the STs goal.

I don't need to track it to find its limits. Those can be easily found on public roads is the problem. Hell its even on this board there's been references to instructors and professional drivers loosing the cars on track or wrecking. Not to mention what's on YouTube.

Manthy and JCR both have tried pushing the platform and it just isn't there. Especially on the ring where it shines on the straights as it should with less drag, the time reflected shows they have to baby the turns. I get your point on tire which is why overall it could've used a wider foot print in general.

The 4RS market fell off market wise for many reasons, not just speculation.

My question is this, what if the ST doesn't live up to the hype or your expectations?

Scrappy1972

Strongly disagree.

TOporschefan

Perfect combo manual S/t and PDK mid-engine 4RS........great set up!

AlexCeres

the cayman rear suspension is pretty weak compared to the gt3, and noticeable on the road. You can hear it cut power around 1:38 as the rear floats over the hill


Long been a problem for the gt4 as well. It’s weird to watch people claiming the car that drives worse empirically is just as good because it takes a more experienced driver to handle it and the gt3 is too good so they prefer something not as good. Nah. It’s just not as good. More fun ? Sure ? Maybe ? Personal preference. Better noise ? Yeah. Still slower and more difficult to handle.

And yes, I’ve driven it back to back with a gt3 on track.

BlazinPond

Not sure what that video proves... other than driver is a fool and cannot stay in his own lane while 'trying' to go all out on a public road.

disden

I have said repeatedly without a doubt the 992 GT3 is a better car on track than the 4RS, it’s got all the modern go fast gizmos. I anticipate the 3 RS will be astonishing, will report back after some laps. But I adore the 4RS, it’s just more fun. Sometimes when something is more challenging or takes a bit more skill it ends up being more enjoyable, Thankfully we all get to pick what we like! But none of these cars can be truly appreciated until driven at speeds that are highly illegal, especially the new 3 RS

Diablo Dude

Yup, I noticed that too at the 1:38 mark.
Had a 981 GT4 for 15,000 miles and the difference in suspension (and platform) isn't even close to my 992 GT3.
At the end of the day, it's all personal choice.

Scrappy1972

I've never come anywhere close to the handling limits of any modern Porsche on public roads. The capabilities are beyond what is reasonable or safe to explore anywhere other than a closed circuit. So, (for me) it comes down to what road legal cars are most enjoyable to drive at 6/10ths. I ended up trading a bunch of modern stuff for 80's and 90's supercars as.they generally excite me more. They probably handle like poo at the very limit, but I don't care as I don't track my street cars.

I like the GT4 RS because of its compact size and small cockpit. Feels more intimate/old school to me than a 992 does.

red route 1

Couldn't get PTS but still very excited, Ice Grey + Heritage package.

disden

stunning! Looks fantastic! I went Ice Grey as well, but Black Exterior Pack, Black wheels and interior. My build starts in 1.5 weeks