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Old 09-13-2023, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsy
There will be just about 2000 S/Ts getting produced, USA aren't only getting 25% of that. It will be at least 30% if not more. The Russian market is gone, the Chinese market aren't too hot on the S/T, where would the extra cars goes? Naturally the USA again. Who has a bottomless appetite for manual cars.

If a dealership tells you they are 'only' getting 2, that's just their initial allocations. Another way for them to keep the ADM high. More will follow after once the production slots are made ready to be consumed. The slots comes in batches, Porsche don't release all of them at once.

Just wait and see.
USA has the bottomless appetite for manuals yet almost every other country in the world has significantly more manual cars on a % basis?

SC was a manual, and only ~25% of those came to the US. Where are you getting info as to how hot China is on this car?

I guess we will see. For what it's worth, I hope you're right.

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Old 09-13-2023, 05:54 PM
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SC quirk was all original SC owners (250) got first dibs after VIP? so that was more like a 1,000 unit car. correct if wrong.
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Getting offered a PTS allocation for an S/T at $200K ADM. I am leaning toward doing it. Currently have a TTS and then a GT4RS on the way for Jan delivery. I’d be buying this one as more of a speculative purchase. While I’d certainly still drive and enjoy it, I’m unsure on the value /market here. Im not looking to necessarily make money on it, but I certainly don’t want to get killed either…Esp if a fender bender or some other unexpected event happened.

My question is do you feel that $200K ADM ($533k all in + tax) is “safe” on this car? Will it be limited enough and sought after enough that it will age well? Or should I pass?

Dealer telling me that Beverly Hills is asking $350k on ADM and already has deposits and that the $200k is actually low for this car…
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Originally Posted by MegaManJW
Getting offered a PTS allocation for an S/T at $200K ADM. I am leaning toward doing it. Currently have a TTS and then a GT4RS on the way for Jan delivery. I’d be buying this one as more of a speculative purchase. While I’d certainly still drive and enjoy it, I’m unsure on the value /market here. Im not looking to necessarily make money on it, but I certainly don’t want to get killed either…Esp if a fender bender or some other unexpected event happened.

My question is do you feel that $200K ADM ($533k all in + tax) is “safe” on this car? Will it be limited enough and sought after enough that it will age well? Or should I pass?

Dealer telling me that Beverly Hills is asking $350k on ADM and already has deposits and that the $200k is actually low for this car…
All indications are that Porsche will be making NA 911 GT cars for years. And there are plenty of them already in existence, few of which are racking up a lot of miles. And other manufacturers are making really appealing cars in that price range. So what is argument for this car being and staying worth ~$500k?
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Originally Posted by MegaManJW
Getting offered a PTS allocation for an S/T at $200K ADM. I am leaning toward doing it. Currently have a TTS and then a GT4RS on the way for Jan delivery. I’d be buying this one as more of a speculative purchase. While I’d certainly still drive and enjoy it, I’m unsure on the value /market here. Im not looking to necessarily make money on it, but I certainly don’t want to get killed either…Esp if a fender bender or some other unexpected event happened.

My question is do you feel that $200K ADM ($533k all in + tax) is “safe” on this car? Will it be limited enough and sought after enough that it will age well? Or should I pass?

Dealer telling me that Beverly Hills is asking $350k on ADM and already has deposits and that the $200k is actually low for this car…
By my estimate, there's 50% chance these cars will be offered at MSRP or less in the next 5 years. The luxury market FOMO bubble is starting to lose pressure. If you plan to keep it and enjoy it for the next 10+ years, different story. Tread accordingly.
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Originally Posted by hf1
By my estimate, there's 50% chance these cars will be offered at MSRP or less in the next 5 years. The luxury market FOMO bubble is starting to lose pressure. If you plan to keep it and enjoy it for the next 10+ years, different story. Tread accordingly.
Remember the days where people would buy Porsche because of gow the car performs and not it's ROI...... lol.


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Old 09-14-2023, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Justaroofer
Remember the days where people would buy Porsche because of gow the car performs and not it's ROI...... lol.
Indeed I do.... it seems the desire for a Porsche has really drifted away from the driving experience in general (but not for everyone).
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Originally Posted by MegaManJW
Getting offered a PTS allocation for an S/T at $200K ADM. I am leaning toward doing it. Currently have a TTS and then a GT4RS on the way for Jan delivery. I’d be buying this one as more of a speculative purchase. While I’d certainly still drive and enjoy it, I’m unsure on the value /market here. Im not looking to necessarily make money on it, but I certainly don’t want to get killed either…Esp if a fender bender or some other unexpected event happened.
Doesn't sound like you'll be driving it.
Why bother?

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Originally Posted by Justaroofer
Remember the days where people would buy Porsche because of gow the car performs and not it's ROI...... lol.
That was a pretty long time ago and, adjusted for inflation, Porsches were more expensive in the past, despite newer Porsches being 'more car' than older Porsches. They used to be cars for rich people, now merely affluent people buy Porsches and many of them worry about depreciation. Porsche has a lot of market share in this segment, and I don't think they'd be successful trying to go upmarket and compete with exotics. With the base price of a Macan being $55k, a 911 costing hundreds of thousands of dollars is a reach.

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Originally Posted by MegaManJW
Getting offered a PTS allocation for an S/T at $200K ADM. I am leaning toward doing it. Currently have a TTS and then a GT4RS on the way for Jan delivery. I’d be buying this one as more of a speculative purchase. While I’d certainly still drive and enjoy it, I’m unsure on the value /market here. Im not looking to necessarily make money on it, but I certainly don’t want to get killed either…Esp if a fender bender or some other unexpected event happened.

My question is do you feel that $200K ADM ($533k all in + tax) is “safe” on this car? Will it be limited enough and sought after enough that it will age well? Or should I pass?

Dealer telling me that Beverly Hills is asking $350k on ADM and already has deposits and that the $200k is actually low for this car…

Is this the same dealer you purchased the TTS and 4Rs from? Did they charge you adm on those as well?
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Originally Posted by PTS
USA has the bottomless appetite for manuals yet almost every other country in the world has significantly more manual cars on a % basis?

SC was a manual, and only ~25% of those came to the US. Where are you getting info as to how hot China is on this car?

I guess we will see. For what it's worth, I hope you're right.
There are 400+ SC in the USA, how is that 25%?
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Originally Posted by Manifold
All indications are that Porsche will be making NA 911 GT cars for years.
No, they won't. 994 will be hybridized at minimum, maybe turbo'd. Hell the 992.2 3RS is likely turbo/hybrid. Friendly wager?

But I still think the guy above should pass and let the dealer find someone else who seemingly will buy the car for the right reasons, not for value retention.
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Old 09-14-2023, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt(inMA)
Indeed I do.... it seems the desire for a Porsche has really drifted away from the driving experience in general (but not for everyone).
For some people, knowing the car they are driving has a high ROI is part of the driving experience.
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Old 09-14-2023, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt(inMA)
Indeed I do.... it seems the desire for a Porsche has really drifted away from the driving experience in general (but not for everyone).
Agreed 100%
Look nowhere else than RL where more than half the threads here are "value" related.
So much for claiming to be a TECHNICAL DISCUSSION AREA.


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