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Three Wheelin'
#2162
Three Wheelin'
Am I the only who feels that the R was more desirable when it was launched? I even got more kicks when I saw the 992 GT3RS for the first time, although its not a numbered car… somehow the ST does not have that special car feeling like the R or 4.0…or maybe its just us clients who are spoiled with too much great cars nowadays..
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By this logic, each of the 20+ 911 variants are parts bin specials. Lazy thinking.
#2164
Racer
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I count 26, and that's with the ST thrown in. I don't see it as overlap. I see it as nuance. Perhaps that's why you view the ST as a parts bin special and I view it as a very specific tool for a very specific job?
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BrntRubber (08-13-2023)
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Whats wrong with a parts bin special? You want a bespoke car from the ground up? That is what you call a 959, Carrera GT, Mission X, etc. These cars are in another price bracket all together.
Personally I love a parts bin special car. Allows everyone to experience some essence of the higher end models at all price points aka the T
Personally I love a parts bin special car. Allows everyone to experience some essence of the higher end models at all price points aka the T
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Havind owned both non GT 991 with RAS and 992 without I would say that RAS is a pretty much a 'must have' on 991s and more of a 'nice to have' on the 992. Suspect the reasons for this is the quicker steering rack on the 992 as well as the engine mounts moved 4'' more forward.
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I was surprised by the negative comments about the 4RS and how polarizing the car apparently is. I talked with a friend today who co-owns a local used car dealership, and he said he knows of two people in the area who are done with their 4RS and want to sell it. He also said prices on the car have been coming down a good bit and are now in the $200-220k range wholesale. There may be a cautionary tale here regarding overpaying for the ST. The 911 and Cayman/Boxster variants are all very good cars, but IMO none of them are so special that they can be relied upon to perpetually command a big price premium. Maybe some people don't care about costs and depreciation, but I'm guessing that they're the exceptions, even among 'rich' people.
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I was surprised by the negative comments about the 4RS and how polarizing the car apparently is. I talked with a friend today who co-owns a local used car dealership, and he said he knows of two people in the area who are done with their 4RS and want to sell it. He also said prices on the car have been coming down a good bit and are now in the $200-220k range wholesale. There may be a cautionary tale here regarding overpaying for the ST. The 911 and Cayman/Boxster variants are all very good cars, but IMO none of them are so special that they can be relied upon to perpetually command a big price premium. Maybe some people don't care about costs and depreciation, but I'm guessing that they're the exceptions, even among 'rich' people.
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#2172
“I want an RS! Wait, no, not like that”
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If the S/T is a parts bin special, can someone tell me which 911 variant is not a parts bin special?
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BrntRubber (08-13-2023)
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And, please don't talk about the pricing and how cheap the R was comparatively. It was cheap bc Porsche did not wisen up. When the 994 touring is way past $300K with options, the S/T will then seem like a bargain.
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Yes and no. I’ve extensively driven the 4RS last year and my thoughts echo others. If Porsche sold a 997RS now, it would sell like the 4RS.
Despite what people shout from the sidelines, money talks. There are not hundreds of people who wanted to buy a GT3 and can’t, maybe a few dozen. If people want one they would buy one, it’s that simple.
The 4RS is too niche, the 992 appeals to a broader audience, one that wants equal part’s performance and prestige, a 4RS has one, but not the other, so it halves it’s market share compared to the 992. The Spyder version will get greater share because it’s a convertible and no other GT takes it top off for the price.
The ST is an interesting car. It’s priced high now, but it also allows Porsche to experiment with glass ceiling pricing with No down side. The new cars are moving up Market and when the 992 Speedster comes out, you will all see a new glass ceiling price for GT cars.
Despite what people shout from the sidelines, money talks. There are not hundreds of people who wanted to buy a GT3 and can’t, maybe a few dozen. If people want one they would buy one, it’s that simple.
The 4RS is too niche, the 992 appeals to a broader audience, one that wants equal part’s performance and prestige, a 4RS has one, but not the other, so it halves it’s market share compared to the 992. The Spyder version will get greater share because it’s a convertible and no other GT takes it top off for the price.
The ST is an interesting car. It’s priced high now, but it also allows Porsche to experiment with glass ceiling pricing with No down side. The new cars are moving up Market and when the 992 Speedster comes out, you will all see a new glass ceiling price for GT cars.
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