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Good luck with the project. I thought the rear seat mounting points had been removed from the chassis on the 992 in order to save weight, but I may be wrong. I guess you are going to find out! 🤞
Just a word of caution, if the worst were to happen and you had a bad accident, I’m sure the insurance company will take issue with the car carrying more then 2 occupants since the GT3 is only certified for 2.
Here goes the crazy journey as I go down a rabbit hole. Consider this post 1 of many and will document the journey as I light dollar bills on fire and go bald.
I have three kids - 9, 7, and 7. I plan on driving my touring a ton and putting a crap ton of miles on it. That means I occasionally have to get kids to school/practice/etc. I want back seats. I don't want to have to pre-plan on what car I am going to take before I leave the house because my mind doesn't work like that. And, I want to OWN the carpool lane.
My original plan was going to take delivery of the 992 and see how it worked. If it didn't work, I was going to trade it for a 991 Touring, where it's been documented that back seats are a possibility through elfermotors, a German company. The german solution is very legit and the cars passes TUV (german safety authority).
A couple of weeks ago, I got on the phone (actually my german speaking friend who knows nothing about porsche got on the phone) and spoke to Elfermotors. The three way was pure comedy since my german friend knows nothing about cars and thought I was crazy. But, during all the back and forth across multiple calls, my friend asked if I had a 991 or a 992. Actually, she said, "I thought you were buying a 911 why do they want to know about 991 or 992 - do they not understand me?". She was pretty pissed that her german wasn't good enough. All I heard was "992" and immediately asked "Does this work in a 992?". Twenty minutes later educating her on porsche model numbers.... we confirmed through several more phone calls that the 992 has the requisite mounting points for rear seat belts ala the 991 touring.
Repeat - 95% sure that 992's can be retrofitted with rear seats. Repeat - rear seats in a 992 touring.
Here is how it works. You buy the Porsche parts state side and buy the kit from elfermotors. Roughly 30 hours of labor later, you have a rear seat in a 992 gt car. What can go wrong?
My current status:
- I have the kit on order from elfermotors. Roughly $3k.
- Here is the part list for parts that you have to procure stateside. This is the 991 parts list. Working on adding the 992 parts list. Basically the parts list is a rear seat kit with belts, seats, bolts and carpet. Roughly another $8k at list price.
- While new, the expensive parts are $7.5k, I went to ebay and found a salvage rear seat and seatbelts from a 2020 992 with 3k miles on it for $1k. I plan on getting the rear seats re-upholstered in a pasha or some great tartan. The kids will love it. I figured I can always sell the parts if it doesn't work out.
My car is still a few months away but thought I would share my process along the way. I will document the install as we go.
As of Feb 4, $1k spent. Hair is still full. Wife still happy.
As for the peanut gallery:
- Yes, this means sofas
- Its reversible.
- The carpet will not match the drapes. ie, sofas will be a different fabric than the backseat. Who cares. Be honest, has the carpet ever matched the drapes? You are *always* disappointed on this front. Now if they made a pasha dye....
- Blah blah blah about weight in the back and the finely tuned springs. It's 20 miles a week.
- According to latest SCR, AP hates it. Well, AP hasn't met me. He would LOVE me.
I’m gonna do this. I’ve got twin 6-year old boys and when I told them I can only take one at a time since it doesn’t have a rear seat the looks and the comments started from them. My SA thinks I’m nuts when I’ve spoken with him on my intentions of doing this. He’s like this isn’t the car for that application, I disagree. He said, “Buy a GTS for that”.
Nope. I’m too hard headed and have always went down the rocky paths.
Now I need to find an eBay rear seat for a 992. I’ll send you a DM Shack.
My 2014 GT3 991.1 was the most enjoyable true "dual purpose" sports car I ever owned, and I loved its delightful handling on long trips,
preferring it to my 2018 991.2 GT3. I agreed with my wife that the 2018 was annoyingly harder riding and noisier than our older 2014.
Admittedly, I am a "UFO" <ufopilots.org> but including rear seats for kids or grandkids will greatly espand the market.
IMHO, Porsche is casting aside a major sales advantage of the 911 Design over most all sports car competitors.
I admire Shack993 and wish him the best of luck with his rear seat project. Hopefully Porsche will consider that option,
at least on all wingless models - and a little more insulation and ride comfort options wouldn't hurt either.
Last edited by FastLaneTurbo; 02-05-2022 at 04:28 PM.
Did you try to go through Porsches new Sonderwunch(sp?) program? They supposedly specialize in "one-off" gt cars.
worth a shot!!!
More than a few of us asked and inquired. The answer was a hard, “NIEN! We no do” essentially it’s a crash and design issue. GT cars doesn’t want to do it, focusing on the drivers car experience. Second, every change like this, they need to crash test cars for the EU and the US markets. So for the handful of us that wanted this option, it wasn’t in the plan and it would have cost them more even if they could convince the design team to do it.
My 2014 GT3 991.1 was the most enjoyable true "dual purpose" sports car I ever owned, and I loved its delightful handling on long trips,
preferring it to my 2018 991.2 GT3. I agreed with my wife that the 2018 was annoyingly harder riding and noisier than our older 2014.
Admittedly, I am a "UFO" <ufopilots.org> but including rear seats for kids or grandkids will greatly espand the market.
IMHO, Porsche is casting aside a major sales advantage of the 911 Design over most all sports car competitors.
I admire Shack993 and wish him the best of luck with his rear seat project. Hopefully Porsche will consider that option,
at least on all wingless models - and a little more insulation and ride comfort options wouldn't hurt either.
Does it look like Porsche is struggling to sell GT3s? The formula works, GT cars are not designed for doing the school run. ‘Tourings’ are just a cosmetic package, nothing more or less. As long as AP is in charge of GT cars, that won’t change. And you literally explained why he won’t do it with your last comment, it’s a slippery slope, that ends up with a AWD convertible 4 seat ‘GT3’ that weighs 1800kg.
Wow, bravo OP! I’m subscribing and watching this thread eagerly. I have two boys ages 4 & 1, so I was pretty disappointed when the rumors of a Touring backseat didn’t come true.
If it’s not that difficult of work and is relatively reversible I might consider doing this as well. Going to enjoy the show in the meantime. Good luck, please post lots of pics and updates!
What a fantastic and humorous opening post. Great job OP.. if someone was able to put a manuale transmission in a GT3RS, then you can definitely fit rear seats into a Gt3. Subscribed and cheering you on.
Now, if only Sea Sucker made a ski rack. Throw some Pilot Alpin's on it with steelies and you could all meet me for an Alta Bomb at Goldminers. Take that peanut gallery.
Seasucker does make a ski rack. Used it today on my 997. Pretty good product and way cheaper than bars plus a Thule rack.
02-05-2022, 04:42 AM
