991.2 Pre-owned: 4SALE & SEALED DEAL$
#91
Track Day
Appreciate pricing thoughts on this car:
2017 Porsche 911 Carrera S
Division: PCNA VIN: WP0AB2A94HS124103 Print
Prod Month: 12/2016 Commission #: 0
Year: 2017 Model: 911 Carrera S
Option Description Price
BASE 911 Carrera S 103,400.00
176 Sport Exhaust System 2,950.00
250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 3,200.00
439 20" 911 Turbo Wheels 2,370.00
446 Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest 185.00
457 Lane Change Assist (LCA) 850.00
489 Multifunction and Heated Steering Wheel 470.00
497 Control Code for Model Designation 0.00
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell 0.00
583 Smoking package 0.00
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass 1,990.00
970 Two-tone leather interior 0.00
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound System 1,590.00
BM Leather Interior in Black/Bordeaux Red 4,280.00
CGU Headlight Cleaning System Covers in Deviated Exterior Color 295.00
CWJ PORSCHE Logo and Model Designation Painted 595.00
EKJ Brushed Aluminum Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior 965.00
P06 Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package 2,320.00
P3E Premium Package Plus i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way) 3,970.00
QR5 Sport Chrono Package 2,605.00
U2 GT Silver Metallic 710.00
XSC Porsche Crest on headrests 285.00
XSH Seat belts in Silver Grey 540.00
Total Options 30,170.00
Total Charges 1,050.00
Total Order 134,620.00
Asking $126,900
2017 Porsche 911 Carrera S
Division: PCNA VIN: WP0AB2A94HS124103 Print
Prod Month: 12/2016 Commission #: 0
Year: 2017 Model: 911 Carrera S
Option Description Price
BASE 911 Carrera S 103,400.00
176 Sport Exhaust System 2,950.00
250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 3,200.00
439 20" 911 Turbo Wheels 2,370.00
446 Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest 185.00
457 Lane Change Assist (LCA) 850.00
489 Multifunction and Heated Steering Wheel 470.00
497 Control Code for Model Designation 0.00
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell 0.00
583 Smoking package 0.00
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass 1,990.00
970 Two-tone leather interior 0.00
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound System 1,590.00
BM Leather Interior in Black/Bordeaux Red 4,280.00
CGU Headlight Cleaning System Covers in Deviated Exterior Color 295.00
CWJ PORSCHE Logo and Model Designation Painted 595.00
EKJ Brushed Aluminum Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior 965.00
P06 Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package 2,320.00
P3E Premium Package Plus i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way) 3,970.00
QR5 Sport Chrono Package 2,605.00
U2 GT Silver Metallic 710.00
XSC Porsche Crest on headrests 285.00
XSH Seat belts in Silver Grey 540.00
Total Options 30,170.00
Total Charges 1,050.00
Total Order 134,620.00
Asking $126,900
#94
Looks like a nice build, fair price considering all the options, but it's got a good solid year worth of mileage on it. Look for stone chips, usual wear and tear issues. If you like the color and wheel combo, I'd take the plunge. I'd try $95k, see if they come back with a counter offer. Check the inservice date to see when you warranty clock started. Good luck.
#97
#99
Track Day
Hi, thanks for feedback. Seems 5-7% discount at new is possible, so for used at close to same doesn't make sense. Dealer would seem to arrive at same conclusion, but i guess you can ask. So for used, do you think 15-20% reasonable/likely to counter?
#100
Offers can be whatever you want
The ideal use of an offer is to hopefully find bottom, or close to it. If you remove emotion and treat it as a business transaction, it helps. It is simply a business transaction to the dealer. Private party sales is a different story.
My opinion would be to set a price (in your own mind) that you do not want to exceed. Make an offer below that price with room to move up. You can not lower your initial offer unless you get pissed, but now you have made it emotional.
If you do not get a counter, then you are in a position where you negotiate with yourself or move on. If you get a counter, you have their interest and gauge your next offer accordingly. The ideal situation is where you place yourself in a position (mentally) to walk whenever you want to remove yourself from the deal.
Everyone usually develops their own strategy for their own reasons but I have used the above over many transactions. Some worked, some didn't.
To your specific question, considering the time of year, the market and availability and what I believe to be the impact of a one year depreciation estimate, 15% to 17% should be a fair starting point. If this car is not a CPO and it is important to you, I believe the cost to the dealer is $3k to $3.5k so you will need to factor that into your offer scenario.
Best of luck
#101
I am getting my loan through from PenFed. The following vehicle is the one I've settle on:
Vehicle data
Displacement:3 l
Power Output:420 HP
Drivetrain:4-WD
Transmission:Automatic
Fuel:Gas
Exterior Color:White
Vehicle Ident Number:WP0AB2A9XHS123389
Interior Finish:Standard Interior in Agate Grey
Mileage:5,801 m
Model year:2017
Price:$ 113,974
Options:
20" Carrera Sport Wheels
Bose® Surround Sound System
Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof
Heated Multifunction Steering Wheel
Instrument Dials in Black
LED Headlights incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS+)
Lane Change Assist (LCA)
Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell
Porsche Crest on Headrests
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
Premium Package Plus i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way)
Side Skirts Painted
Smoking Package
Sport Package
Wheel Center Caps with Colored Porsche Crest
At this price it will be hard to negotiate. They quoted me $1300 for enclosed shipping.
Vehicle data
Displacement:3 l
Power Output:420 HP
Drivetrain:4-WD
Transmission:Automatic
Fuel:Gas
Exterior Color:White
Vehicle Ident Number:WP0AB2A9XHS123389
Interior Finish:Standard Interior in Agate Grey
Mileage:5,801 m
Model year:2017
Price:$ 113,974
Options:
20" Carrera Sport Wheels
Bose® Surround Sound System
Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof
Heated Multifunction Steering Wheel
Instrument Dials in Black
LED Headlights incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS+)
Lane Change Assist (LCA)
Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell
Porsche Crest on Headrests
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
Premium Package Plus i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way)
Side Skirts Painted
Smoking Package
Sport Package
Wheel Center Caps with Colored Porsche Crest
At this price it will be hard to negotiate. They quoted me $1300 for enclosed shipping.
Last edited by freeman727; 04-14-2017 at 09:52 PM.
#102
Originally Posted by freeman727
I am getting my loan through from PenFed. The following vehicle is the one I've settle on:
Vehicle data
Displacement:3 l
Power Output:420 HP
Drivetrain:4-WD
Transmission:Automatic
Fuel:Gas
Exterior Color:White
Vehicle Ident Number:WP0AB2A9XHS123389
Interior Finish:Standard Interior in Agate Grey
Mileage:5,801 m
Model year:2017
Price:$ 113,974
Options
20" Carrera Sport WheelsBOSE® Surround Sound SystemElectric Slide/Tilt SunroofHeated Multifunction Steering WheelInstrument Dials in BlackLED Headlights incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS+)Lane Change Assist (LCA)Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell
Porsche Crest on HeadrestsPorsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory PackagePremium Package Plus i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way)Side Skirts PaintedSmoking PackageSport PackageWheel Center Caps with Colored Porsche Crest
At this price it will be hard to negotiate. They quoted me $1300 for enclosed shipping.
Vehicle data
Displacement:3 l
Power Output:420 HP
Drivetrain:4-WD
Transmission:Automatic
Fuel:Gas
Exterior Color:White
Vehicle Ident Number:WP0AB2A9XHS123389
Interior Finish:Standard Interior in Agate Grey
Mileage:5,801 m
Model year:2017
Price:$ 113,974
Options
20" Carrera Sport WheelsBOSE® Surround Sound SystemElectric Slide/Tilt SunroofHeated Multifunction Steering WheelInstrument Dials in BlackLED Headlights incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS+)Lane Change Assist (LCA)Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell
Porsche Crest on HeadrestsPorsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory PackagePremium Package Plus i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way)Side Skirts PaintedSmoking PackageSport PackageWheel Center Caps with Colored Porsche Crest
At this price it will be hard to negotiate. They quoted me $1300 for enclosed shipping.
#103
At this price it will be hard to negotiate. They quoted me $1300 for enclosed shipping.
Does it come with CPO? If not, ask them to throw it in. Worth a try.
Good luck and nice build.
Does it come with CPO? If not, ask them to throw it in. Worth a try.
Good luck and nice build.
#104
#105
I talked to them last week when it was $1k higher and not a CPO. Submitted an offer to get it at $111,750 as a CPO. They politely told me "I understand if you need to go elsewhere" and reminded me it wasn't a CPO. Noticed today that they had just CPO'ed it in the last day or two. My HFS.2 senses are spot on. You'll love it and good price at 15.x% off MSRP. I was reconsidering it at your price with CPO but saw this.
I recently drove a '14 C2S and then jumped directly into a '17 C2.... left zero doubt which model I want. This weekend I will be driving a '17 C2 and C2S back to back to make my final choice.
Ask for pics of the PPF ... I was told "x-Pel clear coating done to the font bumper and hood when it was purchased new."
I recently drove a '14 C2S and then jumped directly into a '17 C2.... left zero doubt which model I want. This weekend I will be driving a '17 C2 and C2S back to back to make my final choice.
Ask for pics of the PPF ... I was told "x-Pel clear coating done to the font bumper and hood when it was purchased new."