Benson Lamb

The value of GT cars is pumped up by dealers doubling the price to customers, makes retail with a few miles seem like a deal. 50% of value is lost by that measure when the car leaves the showroom! That's a bubble. Time will tell what the last variant of the NA car designed for the street is worth, especially 2WD coupes.

Dude174

I don't think it bothers him so much as he's annoyed (as are many of us) by the sheer delusion. Maybe instead of a .2 subforum there should be a GTS subforum. I meant there's a gt3 one and the GTS is superior right?

NoGaBiker

If all us GTS guys leave, how would the greatness rub off on the rest of you? You'd be left thinking your Ss and Bases were somehow adequate.

We stay here as a service to the 991 community. Your enlightenment is all the thanks we need for this work.

Loud223

Dude174

So true!

Benson Lamb

So I answered my own question. Porsche locator shows the following used coupes for sale:

2015 Base 32
2015 S 14
2015 GTS 10
2015 GT3 41

I wonder what that says about values a decade from now?

Drifting

The reason many GT3s are for sale is that RS supply is finally catching up with demand and many are selling their GT3s as their RS model arrives.

A decade from now a GT3 will be worth much, much more than a GTS.

GTS are really nice cars, but you guys need to be realistic. They aren't special and collectible, and thus valuable like the true GT cars---------the GT3, GT3RS, and GT4.

Rezus

^ I would not say the same for GT4, they were a lot more available to order, I got 2 allocations offered, and are not nearly as special as GT3/RS, lacking a bespoke engine.

Benson Lamb

Not everyone is interested in narrowly focused track cars. What makes a car collectable and valuable are many factors, but it's rarity is a critical component. Seems that P may have built as many GT3s as true GTS coupes. The RS and especially the R are a sure things; unless you pay double MSRP Here in So Ca you see as many GT3s as Ss. My opinion is that it's hard to tell what will increase in value, but I can imagine that properly optioned 2WD true GTS coupes will be up there. R cars for sure also.
All Porsches are SPECIAL!!!

Drifting

Remus, I agree the value position of the GT4 is less known for the reasons you stated. If the next GT4 is turbo, the current GT4 will hold its value well.

Benson, I agree that all Porsches are special, but just as with women, some are more special than others. The 991 RS is a sure thing and will hold its value very well, as all RS have in the past.

The 991.1 GT3 will not hold its value as well as an RS, but much better than a 991.1 GTS, which cost almost the same if you ordered the performance options on the GTS that come included on the GT3.

That said, a 911 GTS will hold its value better than a regular S. If you can't stand the sight of a wing or need rear seats, but still want the most performance out of your 911, a GTS is a good choice.

I also live in SoCal and disagree with your other comment. Outside of of track days or cars and coffee, you see far more regular 911s on the road than you do GT3s.

Rezus

^ Agree with your assessment above. I got the GTS to drive often, thought long and hard about GT3 as being a more fun and much better investment option for little difference in initial payment, but the thought of not being able to ride with my little kids super seeded the investment aspect.

NoGaBiker

Very true when the car is a contemporary or late-model car. Which is exactly why I ordered a GTS MSRP'd up to more than a GT3 with a few options would have cost. However... we're talking about some unspecified future time, when neither of the cars will be considered a daily driver or even remotely close to that. At which time the harder edge of the GT cars, along with their bespoke engines, will almost surely make a big, big difference in price vs. a GTS.

Easy enough to study the 40-year-old 911 market.

73 T brings a pretty penny.
73 E brings a good bit more -- and the delta is bigger than it was in 73 (inflation adjusted.)
73 S brings a WHOLE lot more than E, and again the delta is a WHOLE LOT more than it was new.
73 RS M473 brings 3-4 times what a similar condition S brings, while costing about 50% more in 73.
73 RS M471 (Lightweight) brings 50% more than M473, while actually costing less than 473 when new (because 471 was the stripped lightweight, where the 473 had some 911S comfort options added back in and steel bumpers.

Going from memory here, the RS 2.7 M471 Lightweight sold about 125 cars, while the balance of the 1500-ish RS models that year were the more expensive and cushier M473s. Meaning that when they were current cars, about 1 in 10 people chose the cheaper stripped homologation special. But within a few years, those values turned upside down and everybody wanted the Lightweight, and prices reflect that fact. Because now everybody who wants a Carrera RS 2.7 wants to use it for vintage events, concours, spirited mountain drives, ralleys, etc. Nobody commutes to Manhattan in one four days a week. And values reflect this.

Look for the same to hold true as long as there are collector cars.

Dude174

So since the .2 cars have a bespoke engine now does that make them more desirable?

NoGaBiker

??? In the immortal words of Fezzick from Princess Bride, I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Dude174

If you mean in terms of custom made or made to order then yeah I get what you're saying, but in the BMW world (previous M3's) and I'm assuming GT Porsche models they mean an engine not shared throughout the lineup. I.e. the old M3 v8 was "bespoke to that car". So in that meaning, what other car will share the 9A2 engine? The 718 are already going with 4 cylinders, the SUV's and panameras have V type engines.

Do I think a regular .2 will be collectible? No. But it does have its own engine not shared by any other cars - unlike virtually all the non GT .1's