991.2 GTS'es are coming as 2017 MY, 3.0L tt
#256
Instructor
The value of GT cars is pumped up by dealers doubling the price to customers, makes retail with a few miles seem like a deal. 50% of value is lost by that measure when the car leaves the showroom! That's a bubble. Time will tell what the last variant of the NA car designed for the street is worth, especially 2WD coupes.
#257
Originally Posted by jimbo1111
Using your reasoning every 911 can be derived from the base model. I can say the same thing about the gt cars.
If I change out the suspension, cylinder heads and rework the PDK. Ya da da. I would then have a GT3.
Maybe you should go protest the GTS logo in front of Porsche head quarters if it bothers you do much.
If I change out the suspension, cylinder heads and rework the PDK. Ya da da. I would then have a GT3.
Maybe you should go protest the GTS logo in front of Porsche head quarters if it bothers you do much.
#258
Drifting
We stay here as a service to the 991 community. Your enlightenment is all the thanks we need for this work.
#259
Instructor
#261
Instructor
So I answered my own question. Porsche locator shows the following used coupes for sale:
2015 Base 32
2015 S 14
2015 GTS 10
2015 GT3 41
I wonder what that says about values a decade from now?
2015 Base 32
2015 S 14
2015 GTS 10
2015 GT3 41
I wonder what that says about values a decade from now?
#262
Rennlist Member
A decade from now a GT3 will be worth much, much more than a GTS.
GTS are really nice cars, but you guys need to be realistic. They aren't special and collectible, and thus valuable like the true GT cars---------the GT3, GT3RS, and GT4.
#264
Instructor
Not everyone is interested in narrowly focused track cars. What makes a car collectable and valuable are many factors, but it's rarity is a critical component. Seems that P may have built as many GT3s as true GTS coupes. The RS and especially the R are a sure things; unless you pay double MSRP Here in So Ca you see as many GT3s as Ss. My opinion is that it's hard to tell what will increase in value, but I can imagine that properly optioned 2WD true GTS coupes will be up there. R cars for sure also.
All Porsches are SPECIAL!!!
All Porsches are SPECIAL!!!
#265
Rennlist Member
Not everyone is interested in narrowly focused track cars. What makes a car collectable and valuable are many factors, but it's rarity is a critical component. Seems that P may have built as many GT3s as true GTS coupes. The RS and especially the R are a sure things; unless you pay double MSRP Here in So Ca you see as many GT3s as Ss. My opinion is that it's hard to tell what will increase in value, but I can imagine that properly optioned 2WD true GTS coupes will be up there. R cars for sure also.
All Porsches are SPECIAL!!!
All Porsches are SPECIAL!!!
Benson, I agree that all Porsches are special, but just as with women, some are more special than others. The 991 RS is a sure thing and will hold its value very well, as all RS have in the past.
The 991.1 GT3 will not hold its value as well as an RS, but much better than a 991.1 GTS, which cost almost the same if you ordered the performance options on the GTS that come included on the GT3.
That said, a 911 GTS will hold its value better than a regular S. If you can't stand the sight of a wing or need rear seats, but still want the most performance out of your 911, a GTS is a good choice.
I also live in SoCal and disagree with your other comment. Outside of of track days or cars and coffee, you see far more regular 911s on the road than you do GT3s.
Last edited by Drifting; 11-16-2016 at 11:06 PM.
#266
^ Agree with your assessment above. I got the GTS to drive often, thought long and hard about GT3 as being a more fun and much better investment option for little difference in initial payment, but the thought of not being able to ride with my little kids super seeded the investment aspect.
#267
Drifting
Not everyone is interested in narrowly focused track cars. What makes a car collectable and valuable are many factors, but it's rarity is a critical component. Seems that P may have built as many GT3s as true GTS coupes. The RS and especially the R are a sure things; unless you pay double MSRP Here in So Ca you see as many GT3s as Ss. My opinion is that it's hard to tell what will increase in value, but I can imagine that properly optioned 2WD true GTS coupes will be up there. R cars for sure also.
All Porsches are SPECIAL!!!
All Porsches are SPECIAL!!!
Easy enough to study the 40-year-old 911 market.
73 T brings a pretty penny.
73 E brings a good bit more -- and the delta is bigger than it was in 73 (inflation adjusted.)
73 S brings a WHOLE lot more than E, and again the delta is a WHOLE LOT more than it was new.
73 RS M473 brings 3-4 times what a similar condition S brings, while costing about 50% more in 73.
73 RS M471 (Lightweight) brings 50% more than M473, while actually costing less than 473 when new (because 471 was the stripped lightweight, where the 473 had some 911S comfort options added back in and steel bumpers.
Going from memory here, the RS 2.7 M471 Lightweight sold about 125 cars, while the balance of the 1500-ish RS models that year were the more expensive and cushier M473s. Meaning that when they were current cars, about 1 in 10 people chose the cheaper stripped homologation special. But within a few years, those values turned upside down and everybody wanted the Lightweight, and prices reflect that fact. Because now everybody who wants a Carrera RS 2.7 wants to use it for vintage events, concours, spirited mountain drives, ralleys, etc. Nobody commutes to Manhattan in one four days a week. And values reflect this.
Look for the same to hold true as long as there are collector cars.
#269
Drifting
#270
If you mean in terms of custom made or made to order then yeah I get what you're saying, but in the BMW world (previous M3's) and I'm assuming GT Porsche models they mean an engine not shared throughout the lineup. I.e. the old M3 v8 was "bespoke to that car". So in that meaning, what other car will share the 9A2 engine? The 718 are already going with 4 cylinders, the SUV's and panameras have V type engines.
Do I think a regular .2 will be collectible? No. But it does have its own engine not shared by any other cars - unlike virtually all the non GT .1's
Do I think a regular .2 will be collectible? No. But it does have its own engine not shared by any other cars - unlike virtually all the non GT .1's